Did Pennsy Repubs help Sandusky?

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While entire world may seem against Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State football coach still has some very important people on his side: the slow-moving legislators of Pennsylvania.

Despite efforts by some legislators in the wake of the Sandusky allegations, Pennsylvania remains the only state in the country that doesn’t allow experts to testify for the prosecution in sex crimes.

By contrast, the prosecution is not allowed to call an expert to testify that, while some of the behaviors of the eight men who testified against Sandusky may not conform to common expectations of childhood sex abuse victims, research shows those behaviors — not telling anyone for years, keeping social appointments with an assailant after alleged attacks, holding back details in initial reports to authorities — are typical of victims of childhood sex abuse, and especially of young boys abused by authority figures.

“[It's] patently unfair to allow expert testimony on behalf of the defendant and deny the prosecution from enlightening the jury through expert testimony of victim behavior,” says Scott Burns, Executive Director of the National District Attorneys Association. “It severely disadvantages the prosecution.”

Current Pennsylvania law traces back to a 1991 case in which the conviction of a man accused of raping his stepdaughter was overturned based in part on the admission of expert testimony.

The judges ruled expert testimony inadmissible because victim behavior is “common knowledge.”

“We’ve had several cases where juries have acquitted serial rapists because they felt the victims’ behavior after the assault was counterintuitive,” Deborah Harley, chief of the Family Violence and Sexual Assault Unit of the Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office, told Philadelphia Weekly last year. “One such example would be Jeffrey Marsalis.”

Marsalis, dubbed The Match.com Rapist, was charged with ten incidents of rape and assorted charges in two separate Pennsylvania trials. Though he was convicted of a couple of lesser charges, he found not guilty of rape.

It was the Marsalis case that inspired state Rep. Cherelle Parker (D-Philadelphia) to first introduce a bill to allow expert testimony about sexual assault victims’ behavior back in 2007. After versions died in committee twice, HB 1264 finally passed the Pennsylvania House unanimously last June.

With a 60-day enactment clause, the law could easily have been effect in time for the Sandusky trial, the landmark Philadelphia priest trial and all the other sexual assault cases prosecuted in the last year that didn’t receive media attention.

Yet, after sailing through the House, it stalled in the lap of Republican state Senator Stewart Greenleaf, chair of the Judiciary Committee.

“Two things we’re looking at,” said Greenleaf when asked about the delay in an interview last December. “How other states address these issues, and two, what other states have it?”

The answer, as discussed ad infinitum since the bill’s introduction five years ago and in two recent public hearings, was that all of them allow expert testimony about victim behavior — except Pennsylvania.

Last week, as the Sandusky trial was already underway, the bill finally passed the Senate.

It now awaits concurrence and sign-off by Republican Governor Tom Corbett, who touted his aggressive stance on child sex abuse in his previous role of Attorney General — where he oversaw the remarkably slow-moving Sandusky investigation.

The bill will again die if not signed by fall.



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/...stall-tactics-helped-jerry-sanduskys-defense/
 
Wow, it takes 5 years to get there (in the lap of the Senator) and they blame the dude for Sandusky after he wants to check into some things for a few more months?

That's just stupid.
 
Wow, it takes 5 years to get there (in the lap of the Senator) and they blame the dude for Sandusky after he wants to check into some things for a few more months? That's just stupid.

First, who blamed anyone for Sandusky?

Secondly, did you miss this?

Yet, after sailing through the House, it stalled in the lap of Republican state Senator Stewart Greenleaf, chair of the Judiciary Committee.

“Two things we’re looking at,” said Greenleaf when asked about the delay in an interview last December. “How other states address these issues, and two, what other states have it?”

The answer, as discussed ad infinitum since the bill’s introduction five years ago and in two recent public hearings, was that all of them allow expert testimony about victim behavior — except Pennsylvania.

Last week, as the Sandusky trial was already underway, the bill finally passed the Senate.

It now awaits concurrence and sign-off by Republican Governor Tom Corbett, who touted his aggressive stance on child sex abuse in his previous role of Attorney General — where he oversaw the remarkably slow-moving Sandusky investigation.

The bill will again die if not signed by fall.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/2...uskys-defense/
 
Sailing through the house? Seriously, it was introduced FIVE YEARS AGO.

From the story: since the bill’s introduction five years ago

That isn't "sailing" through anything.
 
So you abandoned your original argument?

Wow, it takes 5 years to get there (in the lap of the Senator) and they blame the dude for Sandusky after he wants to check into some things for a few more months?

What did Stewart Greenleaf need "to check into ... for a few more months"?
 
So you abandoned your original argument?



What did Stewart Greenleaf need "to check into ... for a few more months"?

Ask him... a bill that took five years to get to him didn't "soar" through any process. Plus, the prosecutors didn't need any help with Sandusky. The premise is stupid.
 
Ask him...

Why? The article quoted in the OP states clearly what Greenleaf wanted more time to "study".

“Two things we’re looking at,” said Greenleaf when asked about the delay in an interview last December.

“How other states address these issues, and two, what other states have it?”

The answer, as discussed ad infinitum since the bill’s introduction five years ago and in two recent public hearings, was that all of them allow expert testimony about victim behavior — except Pennsylvania.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/2...uskys-defense/
 
Why? The article quoted in the OP states clearly what Greenleaf wanted more time to "study".

“Two things we’re looking at,” said Greenleaf when asked about the delay in an interview last December.

“How other states address these issues, and two, what other states have it?”

The answer, as discussed ad infinitum since the bill’s introduction five years ago and in two recent public hearings, was that all of them allow expert testimony about victim behavior — except Pennsylvania.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/2...uskys-defense/

Apparently he wasn't part of the "ad infinitum" discussions.

Let me tell you, holding it for a couple months to get some questions answered then passing a bill that took over FIVE YEARS to get to him isn't unreasonable.

What is stupid is suggesting a bill that took FIVE YEARS to get there just "soared" through the House... and that somehow checking a bit on questions he had is somehow evil and stopping the progression of a bill that just "zoomed" through the House in FIVE YEARS.
 
I imagine it would be difficult enough to get professionals to testify for the defence against the prosecution (government). Money and undue influence would certainly be a factor.
 
I imagine it would be difficult enough to get professionals to testify for the defence against the prosecution (government). Money and undue influence would certainly be a factor.


Sandusky had expert witness testimony for his defense.

The defense expert, Elliot Atkins, a psychologist in private practice in the Philadelphia area, said "histrionic personality disorder" could explain the alleged grooming behavior, a conclusion he said he reached after interviewing Sandusky for six hours and reading his autobiography...


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...she-never-heard-or-saw-evidence-of-abuse?lite


Too bad the victims of sexual abuse and crimes aren't afforded the same right.

Pennsylvania is the only state in the union in which expert testimony on behalf of victims of sex offenses is not allowed.

And such testimony can be critical to explain the behavior of victims of sex crimes, who often, for example, may not go to the police right away or ever, or who may develop a relationship with their offender.

The heart-rending testimony of some of the young men in the Sandusky trial might, at face value, suggest by their silence and complicity that they were not victims, but experts can and do maintain that such behavior can be typical.


The Sandusky case is only the most recent high-visibility example of why this injustice should be corrected.

In 2007, a Philadelphia jury acquitted Jeffrey Marsalis of raping seven women who testified against him, though a jury convicted him of two sexual-assault counts at a second trial.

Ultimately, after another trial in Idaho, he was convicted of rape and received a life sentence.

Many believed the first acquittal was due to the fact that the behaviors of the women after the rapes were inconsistent with being "real" victims of crime; expert testimony that is allowed in other states cites research that describes common victim behavior that may be counterintuitive to what juries might believe.

It was this case, in fact, that inspired state Rep. Cherelle Parker to push for change: She first drafted a bill in 2007; for five years, it has gone nowhere.

Recently, the bill was approved by the Senate, and now sits in a House committee.

It may languish there until Parker has to start all over.



http://articles.philly.com/2012-06-22/news/32353096_1_expert-testimony-victims-crimes/2

Guess who's stalling?

http://www.senatorgreenleaf.com/
 
Sandusky had expert witness testimony for his defense.

The defense expert, Elliot Atkins, a psychologist in private practice in the Philadelphia area, said "histrionic personality disorder" could explain the alleged grooming behavior, a conclusion he said he reached after interviewing Sandusky for six hours and reading his autobiography...


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...she-never-heard-or-saw-evidence-of-abuse?lite


Too bad the victims of sexual abuse and crimes aren't afforded the same right.

Pennsylvania is the only state in the union in which expert testimony on behalf of victims of sex offenses is not allowed.

And such testimony can be critical to explain the behavior of victims of sex crimes, who often, for example, may not go to the police right away or ever, or who may develop a relationship with their offender.

The heart-rending testimony of some of the young men in the Sandusky trial might, at face value, suggest by their silence and complicity that they were not victims, but experts can and do maintain that such behavior can be typical.


The Sandusky case is only the most recent high-visibility example of why this injustice should be corrected.

In 2007, a Philadelphia jury acquitted Jeffrey Marsalis of raping seven women who testified against him, though a jury convicted him of two sexual-assault counts at a second trial.

Ultimately, after another trial in Idaho, he was convicted of rape and received a life sentence.

Many believed the first acquittal was due to the fact that the behaviors of the women after the rapes were inconsistent with being "real" victims of crime; expert testimony that is allowed in other states cites research that describes common victim behavior that may be counterintuitive to what juries might believe.

It was this case, in fact, that inspired state Rep. Cherelle Parker to push for change: She first drafted a bill in 2007; for five years, it has gone nowhere.

Recently, the bill was approved by the Senate, and now sits in a House committee.

It may languish there until Parker has to start all over.



http://articles.philly.com/2012-06-22/news/32353096_1_expert-testimony-victims-crimes/2

Guess who's stalling?

http://www.senatorgreenleaf.com/

In this video it says a psychiatrist testified for the prosecution. 2:30 - 2:55. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...she-never-heard-or-saw-evidence-of-abuse?lite

Why would they say expert testimony is not permitted?
 
Ahhh. Behavior. Thanks.

My pleasure.

Did you note that the Chair of the Judicial Committee who's served since the late 70's said he wanted more time to find out “How other states address these issues, and two, what other states have it?”
 
My pleasure.

Did you note that the Chair of the Judicial Committee who's served since the late 70's said he wanted more time to find out “How other states address these issues, and two, what other states have it?”

Looks like he's a slow learner.
 
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