Discuss Black History Month (Myth Busting)

cawacko said:
If you are black, from Africa and move to France (so you have no roots in the U.S.) would you expect to be called African-American? That's what my friend brought up and I have no idea what the correct terminology would be.
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If you are black from Africa and move to France why would you be called African-American if you aren't from America? If you are black from Africa and move to France you'd be called whatever so-called politically correct term they refer to African migrants to France perhaps African-French or Black-french (To ditinguish from African-Arabs who have French citizenship).

Personally I don't like the term "black" or "negro" because all Africans aren't literally black. Black is a color and genetically "blacks" come in all shades.
 
Sun Devil said:
If you are black from Africa and move to France why would you be called African-American if you aren't from America? If you are black from Africa and move to France you'd be called whatever so-called politically correct term they refer to African migrants to France perhaps African-French or Black-french (To ditinguish from African-Arabs who have French citizenship)
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My friend was saying she heard blacks in France referred to as African-American and was surprised by it. Not a big deal just curious if you had heard that before.
 
Sun Devil said:
Let me answer the continuous question that many whites (including some of my white friends) have regarding "White History Month" White television etc.

Whites are represented everyday, not just because whites are the majority in the United States but the most politically and socially influential group in the United States. Not only are whites in the United States are the most represented group when it comes to the history of the United States, but media wise, whites are the most represented group. That is why you have channels like BET, Telemundo, and other ethnic channels because cultures want to be represented as these cultures in comparison to the dominant majority. The reason you don't have a WET or White Entertainment Television is because whites are the most represented group on television. If anyone here has objections please I'd like to see your argument.
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What TV channel represents White Television; because I've never seen it listed?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
1. Yes
They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.

But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white

2. Then it would also be incorrect to say that America was involved in slaves, seeing as how it was only a specific number of States.

3. Then why would everyone get so upset, every time a "white" organization tries to exclude those of color?
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Copy and paste much? Too bad there is no rule on plagerism........

First off, the Irish slave trade hade something to do with the British Isles and much more the United Kingdom not United States of America. As I said nobody here, not even myself was denying slavery in other parts of the world hence, my comment stating that so-called Africans selling their own is nothing more than Europeans practicing slavery amongst each other.

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If you're referring to pre-colonial times yes but one can argue from a philosophical perspective despite even the abolishment of slavery black Americans were mistreated and still had limited will.

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Whites have a right to create organizations and exclude those of color. However when whites argue for representation that is where people like me become critical because whites are the most represented group in this country. Please argue otherwise I'd like to hear this joke.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
What TV channel represents White Television; because I've never seen it listed?
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Seriously?!? Look at television, movies, etc etc....

Why do you think Denzel and Halle Berry winning an oscar was such a big deal? Because aside from Sideny Poitier, no other African-American had won an oscar. Look at prime television. Most shows represent white families which is why articles that talk about the rise of African-Americans and other people of color is because there is less of a representation of minorities. When I talk about whites in television I'm talking about representation...period.....Please argue that whites are not overtly represented in television.
 
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Sardonic said:
Research the Mixtecos, they were indigenous Mexicans and inhabited parts of southern USA and their culture was devastated by the Spainards.
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I see a geographical map and it looks like they occupied a part of what is known as Baja California. But it is still arguable that they are indigenous. Do you understand that the Native Americans are descendants of the ones who crossed the ocean during the Ice Age? I'm referring to them.
 
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If you guys look at the map, the Paleo Indians are a much older culture than any Mixtecos as the Paleo-Indians occupied part of the North Americas around tens of thousands of years. They migrated North then South.
 
Sun Devil said:
I see a geographical map and it looks like they occupied a part of what is known as Baja California. But it is still arguable that they are indigenous. Do you understand that the Native Americans are descendants of the ones who crossed the ocean during the Ice Age? I'm referring to them.
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That's not the only place they're thought to have come from nowadays. Recent evidence suggests that Proto-Europeans came over sometime around 10,000 B.C.E.
 
Sun Devil said:
Myth: "Africans sold their own into slavery"

Fact: The above statement is a classical stock argument many whites unfortunately use to pacify slavery in the United States. First and foremost Africa is not a country and the slaves the Africans that "sold" other Africans were tribal enemies, just as the Greeks and Romans selling "their own" and since Africa is composed of different countries they were no more "selling their own" than the Europeans who "sold their own" into slavery. African slavery and Trans-Atlantic slavery are two different incidents. Many people who use the "Africans sold their own" argument is what is known as the Arab Trader Argument where:

"It excuses an evil of one’s own past by finding the same sort of evil done by others. Whites sold slaves, but Africans and Arab traders did too!"
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a) Don't really know where you are going with this argument. You didn't dispel the "myth" at all. Keep your thought process consistent.

b) I think people just bring it up because there are undoubtedly some ancestors of white abolitionists today being lectured about their "horrible ancestors" by perhaps an african american who's own ancestors might have sold people into slavery. Kind of an interesting perspective to think about.
 
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Ghost of Watermark said:
a) Don't really know where you are going with this argument. You didn't dispel the "myth" at all. Keep your thought process consistent.

b) I think people just bring it up because there are undoubtedly some ancestors of white abolitionists today being lectured about their "horrible ancestors" by perhaps an african american who's own ancestors might have sold people into slavery. Kind of an interesting perspective to think about.
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No, not really, warring tribes in most races and ethnicities enslaved, sold or ate their captives.
 
Sun Devil said:
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If you guys look at the map, the Paleo Indians are a much older culture than any Mixtecos as the Paleo-Indians occupied part of the North Americas around tens of thousands of years. They migrated North then South.
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It can be said there were no indigenous people to North America, they all migrated in that case.

I was thinking of the period of time after the formation of the Unites States of America.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Does your first "Fact/Myth" also cover those Europeans, that were brought here forcefully and later Chinese women that were brought as sex slaves?

Your second part would seem to suggest that Africans WEREN'T selling other Africans into slavery.
Now add in that this could also be seen as a way to denounce the idea of African-Americans.

Thirdly: Does your comments suggest that there shouldn't be a problem with Mexican History Month, or German History Month, Irish, Chinese, - how about a White History Month?
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Hey Freedumb you ignorant fuck, way to live up to your name. If you need a translation of that last paragraph what Sun Devil is saying it that most history is white history and that is the history that we all learn, white history. So there are 11 months of white history and only one month of Black History but I bet you've read all the slave narratives you could find haven't you dickhead?
 
Ghost of Watermark said:
a) Don't really know where you are going with this argument. You didn't dispel the "myth" at all. Keep your thought process consistent.

b) I think people just bring it up because there are undoubtedly some ancestors of white abolitionists today being lectured about their "horrible ancestors" by perhaps an african american who's own ancestors might have sold people into slavery. Kind of an interesting perspective to think about.
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How cone no one ever talks about the Black Abolitionists?
 
cawacko said:
My friend was saying she heard blacks in France referred to as African-American and was surprised by it. Not a big deal just curious if you had heard that before.
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There isn't enough here to make any kind of definitive statement about you observation, many American Black people went to France because they could and many lived in Montmarte in Paris an area that is not inhabited by Middle Easterners, but you have so little information here that no one can say what it is you are talking about or who this woman is referring to?
 
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