DO LIBERALS SUFFER FROM COGNITIVE DISSONANCE?????

Penderyn said:
Daddyo said:
Karl Marx didn't go in for Utopias, Nirvana or anything like that, as you'd know if you were allowed to read him. Socialists will be murdered while we have any capitalism, end of story. Stop quacking and get an education, kid.
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You quit spewing that garbage before people realize the magnitude of ignorant that you are displaying. You have excuses for socialisms failure that defy logic and historical review. Then you call those trying to help you not look so stupid names. You cant even produce a single example because of your silly excuses.

I can give you many examples of its failure. Several that capitalism didn't kill a single person. The USSR had the second most powerful military in the world and nobody dare kill them. They just collapsed because it's a failed system.
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Penderyn said:
You're nuts. No wonder America is buggered if it is full of weirdoes like you.
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You Brits conquered lots of land and guess what it was yours. Hypocrite tea drinking fool. Invite some more arabs to screw your once beautiful country up some more why dont you lol.
 
Woko Haram said:
The best example I've seen with cognitive dissonance among liberals/progressives is how they demand raising the minimum wage while still supporting open borders. Illegal labor will always undercut any government mandates for higher wages. They just don't get it.

Another good example is how they claim that police are very abusive, particularly toward black people, but then some of them want only cops to have guns. It's amusing in a sort of sad way.
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What leftys want open borders. provide names. I know of none.
 
Nordberg said:
Quit saying that. It is wrong. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/st...s-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/ I have seen sites that claim 68,000. It is real.
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If you do your homework there are studies that suggest that more than that 45 to 68 thousand will die per year with socialized medicine. If we use uk statistics and us population it's around 72k. So it will get worst with socialized medicine.

People dont die because of lack of health insurance. They die because they dont go to the dr. Self pay is an option if you cant afford premiums and deductibles. There is also the emergency room which cannot deny service by law.

So the untra poor are covered by government. Those who dont qualify should make the decision to purchase insurance over a new car. At minimum seek medical attention when needed and self pay.

Lifes choices sometimes have consequences. Choosing to miss out on a good education. Using drugs. Eating poorly. Smoking. Bad job choices or poor work ethic, having kids to early, whatever it is you own that. It's not our fault. It's yours.

I'm not talking about those not capable due to disablility.
 
Nordberg said:
What leftys want open borders. provide names. I know of none.
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Anyone who wants to abolish ICE and CBP wants open borders, whether they admit it or not.

If you get rid of the agencies tasked with enforcing immigration policies and border security, you are advocating for open borders.

If you demand that detainment ends, it's the same thing as well.
 
Daddyo said:
Penderyn said:
You quit spewing that garbage before people realize the magnitude of ignorant that you are displaying. You have excuses for socialisms failure that defy logic and historical review. Then you call those trying to help you not look so stupid names. You cant even produce a single example because of your silly excuses.

I can give you many examples of its failure. Several that capitalism didn't kill a single person. The USSR had the second most powerful military in the world and nobody dare kill them. They just collapsed because it's a failed system.
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Unlike you, child, I have never been brainwashed, know something about Marx and about socialism, and spent much of my early life arguing with brainwashed Stalinists. On the whole they were mildly more open-minded than your goodself. Capitalism kills millions, as you know, as if battles for markets to exploit. The USSR, like other capitalist states, took its share in the work. Does it never trouble you that the nearest puppy knows more about the world than you do?
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Woko Haram said:
Anyone who wants to abolish ICE and CBP wants open borders, whether they admit it or not.

If you get rid of the agencies tasked with enforcing immigration policies and border security, you are advocating for open borders.

If you demand that detainment ends, it's the same thing as well.
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Names?
 
Penderyn said:
Daddyo said:
Unlike you, child, I have never been brainwashed, know something about Marx and about socialism, and spent much of my early life arguing with brainwashed Stalinists. On the whole they were mildly more open-minded than your goodself. Capitalism kills millions, as you know, as if battles for markets to exploit. The USSR, like other capitalist states, took its share in the work. Does it never trouble you that the nearest puppy knows more about the world than you do?
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You push socialism despite it never working. Nothing you say about someone else's intelligence carries any weight. Your credibility is in the toilet. KID!
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Daddyo said:
Penderyn said:
You push socialism despite it never working. Nothing you say about someone else's intelligence carries any weight. Your credibility is in the toilet. KID!
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Nobody is pushing socialism unless you define it as providing healthcare and safety nets for citizens. If that is it, I am all for it. Quit talking about what you think is your expertise. Prove it by the posts, not your spurious claims.
America is turning into a plutocracy and it not by serendipity. It is a long term plan by the super-wealthy who have made real programs and policies to create it. Like Trump's stupid tax bill. It crankled up the debt, moved more wealth to the top and did practically nothing for the people. he walked in Mira Lago and announced he made them all a bit richer.
Bernie was a socialist long ago. It is a label he once was happy with. But he has worked in the American system for 50 years. We know who he is. We know who Trump is too, and it is ugly.
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Woko Haram said:
When it comes to abolishing ICE, Sanders has supported this policy.

AOC has advocated abolishing both ICE and CBP.
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So 2 people might have once been against ICE. That is real movement you are discussing, isn't it? You made a claim and then looked it up and found 2 . You worry too much about what will never happen. There will be no open borders. Both Repugs and Dems have built and maintained fences and walls where they are needed. Trump bragged about the new fencing when it was just continuing Obama's project of repairing existing fences. ICE has been used politically and abusively. That should be abolished.
 
Nordberg said:
So 2 people might have once been against ICE. That is real movement you are discussing, isn't it? You made a claim and then looked it up and found 2 . You worry too much about what will never happen. There will be no open borders. Both Repugs and Dems have built and maintained fences and walls where they are needed. Trump bragged about the new fencing when it was just continuing Obama's project of repairing existing fences. ICE has been used politically and abusively. That should be abolished.
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It's a lot more than just 2 people. I can put together a list eventually if you actually are interested.
 
Woko Haram said:
It's a lot more than just 2 people. I can put together a list eventually if you actually are interested.
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I already know. it is very few people and you making a lot out of nothing. there is no threat to ICE. they are not going anywhere. but they certainly could use some adult supervision. They work for the wealthy, Companies hire lots of illegals and they get a warning when ICE is coming. Mulvaney said we need a lot of immigrants for labor. ICE is corrupted,.
 
Nordberg said:
I already know. it is very few people and you making a lot out of nothing. there is no threat to ICE. they are not going anywhere. but they certainly could use some adult supervision. They work for the wealthy, Companies hire lots of illegals and they get a warning when ICE is coming. Mulvaney said we need a lot of immigrants for labor. ICE is corrupted,.
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Employers of illegals definitely need to be held accountable. If we started to send them to prison over breaking federal laws, then I think a good portion of the problem would be solved.

I know why your side wants to pretend it's nothing, however. Eventually, you want illegals to get amnesty, which would mean a lot of new voters for your side.
 
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