Do we all experience the world in the same way?

[ZenMode]

at least a dozen states used procedures NOT passed by their state legislatures, several in direct violation of state law....

And the state courts have addressed those situations. The fact that some states made illegal changes to voting process is not the same thing as, nor does it equate to, voter fraud. In fact, there's no evidence that the illegal/unconstitutional changes generated a single additional fraudulent ballot or instance of voter fraud.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Untrue

you no longer understand the difference between true and false......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

The fact that some states made illegal changes to voting process is not the same thing as, nor does it equate to, voter fraud.

of course it isn't VOTER fraud......it is fraud on the part of the party in power in the states where it happened.......doe that make you feel better, somehow?......

 

[Litmus]

And the state courts have addressed those situations. The fact that some states made illegal changes to voting process is not the same thing as, nor does it equate to, voter fraud. In fact, there's no evidence that the illegal/unconstitutional changes generated a single additional fraudulent ballot or instance of voter fraud.

when the changes allow more fraud, more fraud occurs.

are you dumb?

 

[ZenMode]

when the changes allow more fraud, more fraud occurs.

are you dumb?

The biggest complaint I hear from Republicans about the unconstitutional changes made in some states are generally regarding a) use of dropboxes and b) widespread use of mail-in ballots, both of which have been utilized for decades in other states with no measurable increase in voter fraud. Was it Wisconsin that the courts ruled had illegally used dropboxes? Whatever state it was, why should we believe that dropboxes magically became catalysts for fraud in THAT state, but not all other states that have used them for years?

 

[Litmus]

The biggest complaint I hear from Republicans about the unconstitutional changes made in some states are generally regarding a) use of dropboxes and b) widespread use of mail-in ballots, both of which have been utilized for decades in other states with no measurable increase in voter fraud. Was it Wisconsin that the courts ruled had illegally used dropboxes? Whatever state it was, why should we believe that dropboxes magically became catalysts for fraud in THAT state, but not all other states that have used them for years?

used in a few cases, not broadly. the scale of the dropboxes and mail in was many times previous years.

it is less secure that in person i.d. presentation voting.

if you dispute that you're a lying idiot.

 

[ZenMode]

used in a few cases, not broadly. the scale of the dropboxes and mail in was many times previous years.

it is less secure that in person i.d. presentation voting.

if you dispute that you're a lying idiot.

Well, there are 36 states that have either no-excuse mail-in voting or do "all mail" elections:

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elect...-1-states-with-no-excuse-absentee-voting.aspx

And there are 23 states that utilize dropboxes.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elect...ions-design-features-location-and-number.aspx

Why did either method suddenly become a huge issue in 2020?

That's a rhetorical question, btw. The reason is obvious - Trump & Co. started spreading lies about a stolen election.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

by Anil Seth, professor of neuroscience at the University of Sussex

It may seem as though the world just pours itself directly into our minds through the transparent windows of our eyes and our ears. But psychologists have long known that perception is not simply a “read out” of sensory information. We are strongly influenced by context. From the effect of shadows on how we perceive the brightness of a surface, to our tendency to interpret facial expressions depending on what we think is happening, context permeates all our conscious experiences.

Some researchers, myself included, go even further. Instead of context merely influencing the contents of perception, the idea here is that perceptual experience is built from the top down, with the incoming (bottom-up) sensory signals mostly fine-tuning the brain’s “best guesses” of what’s out there. In this view, the brain is continually making predictions about the causes of the sensory information it receives, and it uses that information to update its predictions.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...o-we-all-experience-the-world-in-the-same-way

Agreed. While we all live in the same Universe with the same universal laws, how each person perceives the Universe varies by the person.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

If you mean stupid people are dumb then yes.

^^^
Starts to realize he's a patsy. LOL

 

[Litmus]

Well, there are 36 states that have either no-excuse mail-in voting or do "all mail" elections:

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elect...-1-states-with-no-excuse-absentee-voting.aspx

And there are 23 states that utilize dropboxes.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elect...ions-design-features-location-and-number.aspx

Why did either method suddenly become a huge issue in 2020?

That's a rhetorical question, btw. The reason is obvious - Trump & Co. started spreading lies about a stolen election.

the swing states only had that shit put in place cuz covid. and its was vastly more used in all places cuz covid.



that's how it became obvious.

 

[Litmus]

^^^
Starts to realize he's a patsy. LOL

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It's an interesting concept. Even when you're a child, someone eventually asks "How do I know that what's red to me is red to you? Maybe what I see as red is actually blue to you."

It seems reasonable to assume that everything, from genetics/neurological functionality of the brain, down to the shape of our ears or how far apart are an individual's eyes, would all impact how we experience the world.

Nothing that dramatic, but as long as both people agree which is the red wire, and which is the blue wire, does it matter?

 

[ZenMode]

the swing states only had that shit put in place cuz covid.

that's how it became obvious.

Right, it was put into place due to covid - to allow people to vote without gathering to vote in voting locations. In some cases it was illegally put into place but that doesn't mean there is automatically more fraud. Fraud doesn't just magically happen on its own. It takes people who are willing to risk prison to commit fraud. Based, again, on the fact that dropboxes and mail in ballots are used coast to coast, with no measurable fraud issues, why do you think these other states suddenly have fraud?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/60/f7/6960f747abf0e6de37425c7a747e1814.jpg

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It's interesting to ponder. Why does one sibling feel that he/she had an unhappy childhood, yet his/her sister or brother feels just the opposite?

Individual perception. Differences in disposition. People can change their perceptions and outlook, but it takes work on their part.

Most of the "glass half empty" JPP members are often too lazy and/or stupid to make the effort.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

What about those who got injected with Trumpper Nano-Bots?

I was running low on nanobots and got a reload today along with my nanobot flu shot.

I don't wear a mask and love to spread nanobots through the air...especially to Trumpers. LOL

 

[Litmus]

Right, it was put into place due to covid - to allow people to vote without gathering to vote in voting locations. In some cases it was illegally put into place but that doesn't mean there is automatically more fraud. Fraud doesn't just magically happen on its own. It takes people who are willing to risk prison to commit fraud. Based, again, on the fact that dropboxes and mail in ballots are used coast to coast, with no measurable fraud issues, why do you think these other states suddenly have fraud?

and its was vastly more used in all places cuz covid.

and it's still relatively unsecure, regardless of the reason for the more vast usage of these questionable standards.

 

[Jarod]

you no longer understand the difference between true and false......

That is incredibly hilarious. Coming from a Trumper.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Right, it was put into place due to covid - to allow people to vote without gathering to vote in voting locations. In some cases it was illegally put into place but that doesn't mean there is automatically more fraud. Fraud doesn't just magically happen on its own. It takes people who are willing to risk prison to commit fraud. Based, again, on the fact that dropboxes and mail in ballots are used coast to coast, with no measurable fraud issues, why do you think these other states suddenly have fraud?

Trumpers are deluded and most have mental issues. Note that Trump lost most if not all his court cases fighting his election loss. AG Bill Barr as well as other top Republicans noted that the election was fair and there was no evidence of fraud that would alter the election.

In fact, so far, all the fraud found was Trumper fraud. The court case in Georgia may end up costing Trump very dearly.

 

[ZenMode]

and its was vastly more used in all places cuz covid.

and it's still relatively unsecure, regardless of the reason for the more vast usage of these questionable standards.

Compared to voting in person, and checking ID's, yes it is technically more unsecure but, again, both methods are used nationwide and have never resulted in an increase in fraud. Why would that suddenly change in 2020? Is the country suddenly populated with more people who are willing to commit voter fraud? More importantly, how is this mass fraud taking place because of dropboxes and mail-in ballots? Are people going mailbox to mailbox stealing ballots, forging signatures and mailing them in? If that were happening on the scale claimed by many republicans, then there should be an epidemic of people being caught double voting because the people expecting a mail-in ballot would have to request another one or go vote in person resulting in two ballots from each person who had theirs stolen.