Do you consider college scholarships a type of WELFARE?

Flash said:
Those who don't get a scholarship are still getting welfare since their tuition covers only a portion of the cost of their education. The remainder comes from state and federal tax revenue.
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That's debateable. It's commonly said k-12 costs are $12,000 per kid each year. Many colleges have tuition way beyond that and that means much of the tuition money is not spent on education.
 
Nordberg said:
So college is an apprenticeship? You do not gain anything in learning things that do not make money?
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You shouldn't be learning things that don't pay off to the public and taxpayers on the public's and taxpayer's dime. Do that on your own money. If you want to engage in a hobby, pay for it yourself.
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
They are extremely means tested so clearly yes - they are welfare. Yet another form of special treatment for blacks.
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Text Drivers are Killers said:
That's debateable. It's commonly said k-12 costs are $12,000 per kid each year. Many colleges have tuition way beyond that and that means much of the tuition money is not spent on education.
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While much is spent on buildings, administrators, etc, higher education and the equipment involved is much more expensive than K-12.

My point is that if you pay $15,000 in tuition and the cost of education is $30,000, the state is subsidizing the student at $15,000 per year. When I started college tuition covered about 25% of the total cost; today, it is about 50%.
 
Nordberg said:
That makes no sense. The concept of education is that an educated public will produce better, and innovate more. They will communicate better. Education is good for the country.https://ushistoryscene.com/article/rise-of-public-education/
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It makes perfect sense. If what you want to learn won't move society forward and be productive, then it's really more of a hobby than a profession and the taxpayer shouldn't be subsidizing it. Doesn't mean a university shouldn't offer or teach it, just that it shouldn't be subsidized.

So, if you want to get a fine arts degree in bassoon playing do it on your dime, not the taxpayer's.
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
Yes - that's the way it should be. College should train people for jobs and i mean useful jobs like engineer or businessman. No sports or music or literature or gender studies.

Schools should teach STEM only . That would make colleges 99% white and 80% male but that's how it goes. Nearly all useful people are white men.
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So, no one should teach English grammar?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It makes perfect sense. If what you want to learn won't move society forward and be productive, then it's really more of a hobby than a profession and the taxpayer shouldn't be subsidizing it. Doesn't mean a university shouldn't offer or teach it, just that it shouldn't be subsidized.

So, if you want to get a fine arts degree in bassoon playing do it on your dime, not the taxpayer's.
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What taxpayer is paying for bassoon lessons?
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
That's debateable. It's commonly said k-12 costs are $12,000 per kid each year. Many colleges have tuition way beyond that and that means much of the tuition money is not spent on education.
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PHds cost more than BS/BA. K-12 that go for 12k do not have dorms. Real estate developers pay for K-12 school buildings. Universities pay for their buildings. Universities have to produce research to demonstrate they are getting smarter. K-12 makes their teachers pay their own continuing education (at universities).
thats why all colleges cost way more than $12k
 
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