Do you remember how sure they were that Hillary was going to win?...

StoneByStone said:
Tax cuts for the rich, trying to cut welfare, bombing other countries for Israel, increasing the debt, increasing outsourcing, and on and on.

The only reason the RNC hated Trump when he started running is because they thought he'd lose. Once he adopted the RNC platform, they embraced him.
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Not everything is black and white. It is possible for nuance.

Trump's tax reform, deregulation and judges are straight out of the Republican/conservative playbook.

His trade war/protectionism/tariffs completely upended traditional Republican free trade beliefs. His distrust of groups like NATO broke from the Republican playbook.
 
cawacko said:
Not everything is black and white. It is possible for nuance.

Trump's tax reform, deregulation and judges are straight out of the Republican/conservative playbook.

His trade war/protectionism/tariffs completely upended traditional Republican free trade beliefs. His distrust of groups like NATO broke from the Republican playbook.
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Not really. The trade war was supposed to make the rich richer, it just failed because Trump doesn't know how tariffs work. This was an establishment move, it just didn't pay off.
And Republicans regularly talk shit about NATO and the UN as part of their act to make us think they're against Globalism.
 
StoneByStone said:
Not really. The trade war was supposed to make the rich richer, it just failed because Trump doesn't know how tariffs work. This was an establishment move, it just didn't pay off.
And Republicans regularly talk shit about NATO and the UN as part of their act to make us think they're against Globalism.
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I forgot you're a millennial. Free trade has been Republican orthodoxy for decades (among the party leadership). Trump completely upended that. If that is news to you there is plenty of material out there on the subject.
 
christiefan915 said:
I believe you already mentioned Hillary in this thread. Apparently bringing up Romney's misplaced overconfidence stings. :D
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The thread is about Hill... So, there's a reason why I would bring it back up. I see you don't want to remember how Hillary wasn't prepared to walk gracefully into the night either. Instead she was drunkenly throwing crap at her staff. Awesome.
 
Damocles said:
The thread is about Hill... So, there's a reason why I would bring it back up. I see you don't want to remember how Hillary wasn't prepared to walk gracefully into the night either. Instead she was drunkenly throwing crap at her staff. Awesome.
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"Drunkenly throwing crap," awesome. You're another one who needs to polish up your tinfoil hat if you believe garbage like that.

Edit: Well this explains it. Alex Jones told you. "On 15 November 2016, InfoWars, the web site belonging to conspiracy theorist and alternative supplement salesman Alex Jones shared a story claiming that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had to be restrained during a violent outburst after being defeated by her rival, Donald Trump in the 8 November 2016 election..." :laugh:
 
christiefan915 said:
"Drunkenly throwing crap," awesome. You're another one who needs to polish up your tinfoil hat if you believe garbage like that.
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Well, it had "sources"... We've spent years reading stories with "sources say" in them about Trump. I figure I can believe one or two about Hillary. Especially when it clearly rings true.
 
Damocles said:
Well, it had "sources"... We've spent years reading stories with "sources say" in them about Trump. I figure I can believe one or two about Hillary. Especially when it clearly rings true.
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Sorry but Alex Jones is a "source" you can believe zero percent of the time.
 
christiefan915 said:
Sorry but Alex Jones is a "source" you can believe zero percent of the time.
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Whatever you say... I pretty much feel the same about See B.S. news ever since they just made up crap and then tried to defend it with, "but it would've been true if the Admiral had written it"...

Anyway that wasn't the source of the story, the Toronto Sun was and their source was somebody "close" as all the "sources" have supposedly been about Trump, until we found out they weren't. I have never read anything by Alex Jones. Seriously. Never. I also don't use Breitbart... May surprise you, but that's the truth. lol
 
Damocles said:
Whatever you say... I pretty much feel the same about See B.S. news ever since they just made up crap and then tried to defend it with, "but it would've been true if the Admiral had written it"...

Anyway that wasn't the source of the story, the Toronto Sun was and their source was somebody "close" as all the "sources" have supposedly been about Trump, until we found out they weren't. I have never read anything by Alex Jones. Seriously. Never. I also don't use Breitbart... May surprise you, but that's the truth. lol
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The Toronto Sun got the story from The American Spectator, an unreliable RW site with poor sourcing.

https://torontosun.com/2016/11/16/clinton-was-in-a-rage-on-election-night-report
 
christiefan915 said:
The Toronto Sun got the story from The American Spectator, an unreliable RW site with poor sourcing.

https://torontosun.com/2016/11/16/clinton-was-in-a-rage-on-election-night-report
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Doesn't change what I said. The reality is, if you get to believe unsubstantiated "sources" from your news "sources" then if it rings true I will not feel ashamed of believing "sources" on occasion myself. Not even a problem. The reality... Toronto Sun is not "Alex Jones" and it still doesn't change that it rings true.
 
cawacko said:
I forgot you're a millennial. Free trade has been Republican orthodoxy for decades (among the party leadership). Trump completely upended that. If that is news to you there is plenty of material out there on the subject.
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I know, but the reason Trump created the tariffs is because he thought it would benefit the 1%. Basically, Trump tried something new to serve the establishment, it just failed because he never passed Economics 101.
 
Economic's isnt the only "101" class that tRump likely failed. No wonder he threatened lawsuits if his grade transcripts were released.
 
StoneByStone said:
I know, but the reason Trump created the tariffs is because he thought it would benefit the 1%. Basically, Trump tried something new to serve the establishment, it just failed because he never passed Economics 101.
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StoneByStone said:
:dealwithit:
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I forget I’m talking to a socialist and socialist like tariffs. You like the act just not the person who did it. Democrats and unions have supported tariffs for years/decades. Bill Clinton broke away from the party and supported free trade but he was the exception not the rule. Trump is a populist/democrat at heart hence his trade policies and the reason the person behind the tariffs in his administration was/is a long time Democrat (drawing a blank on his name)
 
cawacko said:
I forget I’m talking to a socialist and socialist like tariffs. You like the act just not the person who did it. Democrats and unions have supported tariffs for years/decades. Bill Clinton broke away from the party and supported free trade but he was the exception not the rule. Trump is a populist/democrat at heart hence his trade policies and the reason the person behind the tariffs in his administration was/is a long time Democrat (drawing a blank on his name)
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I'm not a Socialist. And Socialists tend to be Globalists, which means they don't like tariffs. If you're going to be wrong, at least be wrong correctly.
 
StoneByStone said:
I'm not a Socialist. And Socialists tend to be Globalists, which means they don't like tariffs. If you're going to be wrong, at least be wrong correctly.
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Bernie Sanders voted against basically all free trade deals and has said he would use tariffs. Hardly the definition of a globalist.
 
cawacko said:
Bernie Sanders voted against basically all free trade deals and has said he would use tariffs. Hardly the definition of a globalist.
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So I have a surprise for you. Ready? Bernie Sanders isn't a Socialist. Bernie's policies are much more similar to Social Democracy, not Socialism.
And if he actually is a secret Socialist, then he'd be in the minority when it comes to trade deals among Socialists.
 
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