Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Hmm, still no one with an IQ over 50 has voted yes. Interesting.
do you think gwb made the right decision when he decided to invade iraq?
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I don't disagree, I put it into perspective....I give things the importance they deserve....
Its true the public as a whole were only sold on the WMD, they didn't have access to the same intell or get to study what was contained in the War Resolution that
Congress voted on....
I've never denied the fact that Bush made the decisions as President .... only the pinheads did that....Rumsfeld made the decisions, Cheney made the decisions, Carl Rove
made the decisions, etc., etc, etc.......you included.
I'm afraid you pinheads were totally wrong....Bush made the decisions....the others were advisors at best....
another stark difference to today, Bush never blamed anyone else for any decision he made.....
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The 'Bush Doctrine" is a creation of the media.....and means different things to different people
In FACT, it is fiction and has nothing to do with Bush.....Bush never claimed a Bush Doctrine that I know of.
Cheney uttered the phase once and never again in eight years.
signalmankenneth
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Iraq War vet pens ‘last letter’ to Bush and Cheney
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/iraq-war-vet-letter-bush-cheney-tomas-young-154541674.html
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/iraq-war-vet-letter-bush-cheney-tomas-young-154541674.html
christiefan915
Catalyst
You mean the coalition of the bribed, bullied and blind?
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] GEORGE Bush has made great play of the "coalition of the willing" - 30 countries who support his war on Iraq. But who are they and what are their real motives? The Daily Mirror put Bush's allies under the microscope and found a coalition of the bribed, bullied - or those simply blind to the truth. It contains some of the poorest, newest and smallest countries on the planet. This show of support has been stitched together by bullies in Washington dangling massive bribes in front of countries which depend on financial support from other nations. And the desperate attempt by the US to make its present coalition resemble the alliance of 34 nations which contributed tens thousands of troops in the last Gulf War in 1991 is unraveling.
Afghanistan
BRIBED
Depends heavily on military assistance from the US. Its country is torn apart by tribal warlords. Aid from Britain and America is vital for restructuring the ravaged land.
Albania
BRIBED Incredibly poor country with refugee crisis following the Kosovo war. Depends heavily on Western aid.
Australia
BLIND Tony Blair used the country to announce for the first time his intention to topple Saddam Hussein in March 2002. Aussie PM John Howard, right, has been one of Britain's closest allies.
Has sent a 2,000-strong force of SAS troops, fighter jets and warships to the Gulf. But more than two thirds of Australians oppose involvement in any war without UN approval.
Azerbaijan/Georgia
BLIND and BRIBED
President Ferenc Madl, left, has allowed the Iraqi opposition to train on its territory. Hungary is also involved in massive oil deals with the US. It is part of a new wave of countries joining the EU in 2004 and its relations with the West are vital for that course to be completed.
BRIBED Desperate for aid, trade with the West and cash for the war on terror.
BRIBED Desperately needs to develop trade links with Britain and America. Has sent non-combat troops specializing in chemical warfare decontamination in response to US request. Poised to join the EU next year and must keep relations with Britain tight.
Czech Republic
BULLIED The Danish government is sending a corvette and a submarine, - but dropped plans to deploy ground troops because of weak parliamentary support.
BRIBED
Colombia, El Salvador and Nicaragua all receive generous anti-drugs funding from the US.
Denmark Colombia/C America
BRIBED
These are two of the poorest, most war-torn countries in the world. The bitter rivals each want US backing in a boundary dispute and need US aid to fight a massive famine.
Eritrea/Ethiopia Hungary
BLIND One of the 12 original members of Nato's Security Council. Fully supports military action, despite massive protests from within the country.
Iceland
Italy
BLIND The country's right-wing government, led by Silvio Berlusconi, right, has been behind Britain and America every step of the way. But the Vatican said it was deeply pained by the outbreak of war and deplored the interruption of efforts to bring about peace.
Italy has offered logistical help and use of military bases and ports under long-standing Nato commitments.
BLIND Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi has given his moral backing for Washington.
Japan South Korea
BRIBED Has depended heavily on the Yankee dollar for the massive restructuring of its infrastructure.
But even more important than that, it needs American muscle as protection against its nuclear-capable neighbors in the North. President Roh Moo-hyun admitted fearing that war with Iraq could hit relations between North Korea and the West.
Baltic states
BRIBED The crumbling economies of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are desperate for funding from Britain and America through the United Nations.
Philippines
BRIBED President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, right, said Manila gave political and moral support, adding: "We are part of the coalition of the willing."
But the country depends on America for military support and muscle to fight terrorism.
Poland
BRIBED President Aleksander Kwasniewski, left, agreed to deploy up to 200 troops in the Gulf region, to perform non-combat roles supporting any US-led offensive.
He also signed an open letter in support of the US. There's a reason he loves America - Poland is the first former communist state to join Nato and is among the 10 countries which have qualified to join the European Union in 2004.
Macedonia
BRIBED Did not exist at the time of the last Gulf War and is among the world's smallest nations. Needs friends such as Britain and America as well as more funding for its depressed economy and services.
Netherlands
BLIND The Dutch have sent anti-missile batteries to Turkey.
Spain
BLIND The strongest ally of the US and Britain. Has promised the use of its Nato bases for a strike on Iraq. Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, right, appeared side-by-side with Blair and Bush at the Azores summit last week.
Romania
BRIBED Has offered a small military contingent, but it is unlikely to see any action. Romania is desperate for its support to be repaid with increased trade with Britain and American - as well as continued aid.
Turkey
BULLIED and BRIBED Has reluctantly pledged support but President Ahmet Necdet Sezer, left, criticized the US attack, saying the UN Security Council process on Iraq should have been allowed to finish. Washington abruptly withdrew its carrot of a �10billion aid package to Turkey after the pro-Islamic government frustrated the US's military build up.
Slovakia
BRIBED A leading member of the countries which are using this process to boost their own standing, Slovakia has offered troops on a non-combatant basis but expects financial rewards in return.
United Kingdom
BLIND Washington's chief ally, committing 45,000 military personnel, planes and warships. Uzbekistan
BRIBED Receives assistance from the US for fighting drugs and terror.
Silent Partners
SAUDI Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates and Oman have refused to associate themselves publicly with the coalition.
Israel has publicly supported the war, but America does not want it linked to the coalition
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0323-07.htm
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Interesting perspective Christie....
and interesting that the majority of them are now supporting Obama in the Afghanistan coalition.....I wonder if its for the same reasons you seem to
want us to believe they were in the Iraq coalition before....all dummies ?.....
The Vietnam War only had United States, Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea. A coalition of 4....all are included Iraq and Afghanistan....bullied and blind, huh....
Well, some of us, nevertheless, call them allies....whatever you imagine their 'real' motives were or are.
I wonder what 'motives' all those nations that voted for the UN resolutions had.....all bribed, bullied and blind perhaps....
Is there anyone you won't ridicule for your blind and bribed partisan loyalty ?
Lowaicue
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Ask yourself why you most loyal ally (at that time) refused to join you in VN and then ask what you did and tried to do to punish us. Bribed and bullied? You can bet your sweet yank skate arse. America does NOTHING in the world unless it is 100% for them. Nothing wrong with that but please dont think the world is as dumb as you and believes your crap.
Anyone who was not blinded by political interest knew better. I knew better. All you had to do to know better was to listen to the way the Bush Administration carefull parced the words they used.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Not only that but common sense dictated that the threat presented by Iraq did not arize to our traditional standard of "A Clear and Present Danger" to our national security. If anything good did come out of the sacrifices our armed forces made in Iraq is that the policy of preemption was thoroughly discredited. Though I'm of the opinion that that certainly wasn't worth the cost in blood and treasure.
I feel horrible for Iraq veterens. They should have never been put in that situation. God bless them one and all.
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There was a great article on CNN a few weeks back that was essentially "The Dixie Chicks were right."
And they were, as was every other protestor & war opponent who, by exercising their right to express dissent, were called traitors & terrorist sympathizers.
It's a good lesson, and one that shouldn't be forgotten. Dissent isn't just a right - it IS patriotic.
And they were, as was every other protestor & war opponent who, by exercising their right to express dissent, were called traitors & terrorist sympathizers.
It's a good lesson, and one that shouldn't be forgotten. Dissent isn't just a right - it IS patriotic.
They are heros because they did what is required for a strong and free nation, they fought without question. It was the American voter who failed here... not the Iraq Vet.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
That's what TR said a long time ago.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Agreed! Don't forget they still need our support even though the Iraq war is over. We can't permit a repeat of what happened to Nam vets.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
The reality is that war is decided by the military/industrial complex, not presidents.
The suit that has its ass in the chair makes no difference .. nor does the party that he belongs to, nor the color of his skin.
Libya was every bit the false war that Iraq was. The excuses to attack and murder its citizens are every bit as false .. with one exception. In Libya, Obama used AL Queda terrorists to do our bidding. Now he's using them in Syria.
More war on the horizon .. we exist in a state of perpetual war.
The American people never learn.
We're just as stupid and gullible now as we were during the invasion of Iraq.
Unless you disagree with this president you mean
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If you ever catch me questioning the patriotism of someone who expresses dissent w/ Obama's policies, or calling them a traitor - you just let me know.
I remember very well that plenty of Americans considered dissent to be unpatirotic.