Do you think many on the right even understand what the Founding Fathers did?

[T. A. Gardner]

Yes, it actually does mean that.

Quite literally.




And General Welfare is something Congress can legislate, and education is inarguably a part of the general welfare.

So again, what else ya got?

No, legal scholars say you are dead, flat wrong.

The General Welfare Clause is not an independent grant of power to Congress. It is not a grant of authority for Congress to pass social legislation. It is not a special grant to spend money on anything. Instead, the General Welfare Clause places restrictions on the reasons for which taxes are levied and restrictions on how those taxes are designated.

https://dspace2.creighton.edu/xmlui..._43CreightonLRev543(2009-2010).pdf;sequence=1

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the Constitution, the “general Welfare clause,” is often referred to as the “Taxing and Spending Clause” because of its expansive use today. Many people claim it gives the feds the authority to do anything imaginable as long as it “promotes the general welfare” – however one might define it. But this creates a dilemma. Either James Madison and other supporters of the Constitution were lying when they said the powers of the federal government would be “few and defined,” or people have misconstrued the legal meaning of this clause.

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/general-welfare-clause/

https://constitutionstudy.com/2018/10/26/general-welfare-clause/

You are wrong. If it is interpreted as you suggest then congress and the federal government can tax and spend on anything for any purpose no matter how local or even personal it may be. That clearly was never, ever, the intent of the Founders or meaning of the Constitution. Federal powers were clearly meant to be limited and this clause as amplified by the tenth amendment had strict limitations on it. Education is not a federal function.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

You're a totalitarian.

nope. I support the bill of rights, unlike you, actual totalitarian.

 

[LV426]

No, legal scholars say you are dead, flat wrong.

"Legal scholars" LOL.

Searching out bias confirmation is not doing the work, TA.

And don't make me open those links only to find that you didn't read them fully, just like you didn't fully read HR 1, you just lied about it.

You are wrong.

No I'm not...and the opinions of these "scholars" (LOL) doesn't make it so.

If it is interpreted as you suggest then congress and the federal government can tax and spend on anything for any purpose no matter how local or even personal it may be.

Yeah, and?

That clearly was never, ever, the intent of the Founders or meaning of the Constitution.

Not at all, and you can't possibly know what the intent of ALL the Founders was...all you can do is search out bias confirmation because you're fucking lazy.

The Founders disagreed on quite a lot, including the role of the Federal Government in the general welfare.

Federal powers were clearly meant to be limited and this clause as amplified by the tenth amendment had strict limitations on it.

That's someone else's interpretation that you have swiped and pretended is your own.

But you and I both know you didn't do the work to reach this conclusion because if you had, you wouldn't have come to this conclusion.

You take an absolutist approach to debate; basically you try to establish your hackneyed bullshit as some kind of eternal truth, but really it's just you being a bitch and wishing for people to accept your premise and your standards because otherwise, you'll have a fit if they don't.

 

[LV426]

Education is not a federal function.

It absolutely is because education is undeniably part of the general welfare of the country.

 

[LV426]

nope. I support the bill of rights, unlike you, actual totalitarian.

STOP.

You don't even know what the Bill of Rights are, and they were written by educated people, who you have expressed hatred towards on this thread and elsewhere.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

STOP.

You don't even know what the Bill of Rights are, and they were written by educated people, who you have expressed hatred towards on this thread and elsewhere.

I shall continue.

I'm college educated, dipshit.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It absolutely is because education is undeniably part of the general welfare of the country.

Then what isn't? What can't the federal government do using your broad definition of "general welfare?"

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

One of the most intelligent catch phrases of all times, and my personal favorite was Susan Powter's, "Stop The Insanity". Of course it was not a political phrase, however there were certainly people on the Republican side of the aisle that found a way to even politicize Susan Powter's message, and her efforts to inform people about the importance of diet, health, and exercise in people's lives. And the Republicans, of course, don't like Scientific evidence or Medical research or anything that may come between them and their 24 ounce Porterhouse steaks or their Bottle of Booze- or even their Couch Potato lifestyle of choice!

But certainly, one of the dumbest catch phrases, most misunderstood, most taken out of context, most confusing, and most abused of all times, was the "Defund The Police"!

Perhaps it may not be the most misquoted and abused "Catch Phrase" of all times as "Make America Great Again" has to be, at least, the 2nd best runner up!

But that's OK, I am here to set the record straight on which political party has done the most to STOP THE INSANITY, FUND POLICE, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

And of course I can tell everybody RIGHT UP FRONT- it is the Democrats that have done the most, and is doing the most to STOP THE INSANITY, FUND THE POLICE, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Don't get me started! Don't make me easily make you TRUMPTARDS out to be fools if you intend to challenge me on this!

 

[Sammy Jankis]

It absolutely is because education is undeniably part of the general welfare of the country.

lately its overwhelmingly created totalitarian dipshits like you.

 

[LV426]

I'm college educated, dipshit.

Bullshit.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

One of the most intelligent catch phrases of all times, and my personal favorite was Susan Powter's, "Stop The Insanity". Of course it was not a political phrase, however there were certainly people on the Republican side of the aisle found a way to even politicize Susan Powter's message due to her efforts to inform people about the importance of diet, health, and exercise in people's lives. And the Republicans, of course, don't like Scientific evidence or Medical research or anything that may come between them and their 24 ounce Porterhouse steaks or their Bottle of Booze- or even their Couch Potato lifestyle of choice!

But certainly, one of the dumbest catch phrases, most misunderstood, most taken out of context, most confusing, and most abused of all times, was the "Defund The Police"!

Perhaps it may not be the most misquoted and abused "Catch Phrase" of all times as "Make America Great Again" has to be, at least, the 2nd best runner up!

But that's OK, I am here to set the record straight on which political party has done the most to FUND POLICE and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

And of course I can tell everybody RIGHT UP FRONT- it is the Democrats that have done the most, and is doing the most to STOP THE INSANITY, FUND THE POLICE and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Don't get me started! Don't make me make you TRUMPTARDS out to be fools for doubting me!

get started, jackass. we all know it's dems defunding the police.

stop your gaslighting, fuckjar.

 

[LV426]

get started, jackass. we all know it's dems defunding the police.

stop your gaslighting, fuckjar.

No police have been defunded.

Police budgets have increased.

The rise in crime is due to other factors...cops don't prevent crime.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Tax cuts.
Cut taxes for businesses and the wealthy.

So, you are claiming the federal government can justify doing anything they want under the general welfare clause so long as it increases federal revenues and power?

 

[LV426]

Then what isn't?

Nothing, really.

Since our country is linked through the internet, highways, and air travel, and since corporations are headquartered in one place yet have their operations everywhere, the idea of state autonomy is pretty fucking silly now.

It's clinging to tradition, which is pointless because there's no need to do that.

Unless people in Texas get a different kind of prostate cancer than people in Michigan...but as far as I know, prostate cancer is the same regardless of where you live.

 

[LV426]

So, you are claiming the federal government can justify doing anything they want under the general welfare clause so long as it increases federal revenues and power?

I would argue that, yes.

I would argue that depressing federal revenue is an attack on the General Welfare of the country.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I would argue that, yes.

I would argue that depressing federal revenue is an attack on the General Welfare of the country.

Then you have no belief in the continuation of Constitutional law or the clear intent of the Founders to limit the power of the federal government. For you, the Constitution is just an outdated piece of paper and no longer has any meaning.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

No police have been defunded.

Police budgets have increased.

The rise in crime is due to other factors...cops don't prevent crime.

in addition to it definitely rising due to dems defunding police, it's ALSO new policies such as not even showing up for shoplifting offenses under 900$, and soros backed d.a.s refusing to prosecute crimes.

 

[Flash]

The presidency was to be by representative democracy where voters selected members of the Electoral College who would then vote on a president.

The Constitution gave the state legislatures the power to select electors, not the voters. It was not for several years that states began allowing voters to select some or all of the electors. There is nothing in the document about a popular vote for president.

 

[LV426]

Then you have no belief in the continuation of Constitutional law or the clear intent of the Founders to limit the power of the federal government.

Well let's see....if we take a strictly originalist approach to the Constitution, then technically, Congress can only raise taxes, not lower them.

The Constitution gives Congress the power to levy taxes and tariffs, but the Constitution doesn't explicitly say Congress has the power to reduce those taxes it levies.

You keep trying to establish your subjective view of their intent, but you've done nothing to earn that entitlement.

You've done nothing to earn the privilege of saying "this is what the founders intended".

For you, the Constitution is just an outdated piece of paper and no longer has any meaning.

Not at all...to me, the Constitution is just another Legal document that can be amended (and has been amended 27 times).

 

[LV426]

in addition to it definitely rising due to dems defunding police, it's ALSO new policies such as not even showing up for shoplifting offenses under 900$, and soros backed d.a.s refusing to prosecute crimes.

Nothing has been defunded...the spike in crime is due to other factors.

POLICE DO NOT PREVENT CRIME.