Document confirms US told Russia NATO won’t expand

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Document confirms US told Russia NATO won’t expand
Putin was right, Stoltenberg was wrong: NATO “brazenly deceived” Russia about expansion and a British document proves it

A newly discovered document from March 1991 shows US, UK, French, and German officials discussing a pledge made to Russia that NATO will not expand to Poland and beyond. Its publication by the German magazine Der Spiegel on Friday proves Moscow right and NATO wrong on the matter.

The minutes of a March 6, 1991 meeting in Bonn between political directors of the foreign ministries of the US, UK, France, and Germany contain multiple references to “2+4” talks on German unification in which the West made it “clear” to the Soviet Union that NATO will not expand past the eastern borders of Germany.

“We made it clear to the Soviet Union – in the 2+4 talks, as well as in other negotiations – that we do not intend to benefit from the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe,” the document quotes US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Canada Raymond Seitz.

“NATO should not expand to the east, either officially or unofficially,” Seitz added.

A British representative also mentions the existence of a “general agreement” that membership of NATO for eastern European countries is “unacceptable.”

“We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe,” said West German diplomat Juergen Hrobog. “We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.”

https://www.rt.com/news/549921-nato-expansion-russia-document/
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Infidels ? Apparently so.


TGO.
 
Phantasmal said:
It isn’t wriggle room, agreements with the USSR are no longer valid. I’d agree with your point if it was with Russia.
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The discussions of March, 1991- according to the document- make it clear that NATO's agreement not to expand eastward beyond East Germany was part and parcel of the ending of the Berlin division and the dissolution of the Soviet Union into the Russian Federation- which ' continued as the USSR's legal personality '.
The agreement transferred to Russia.
 
Of course- I'm not a practitioner of international law- but I am inclined to go with what feels right and just.
 
Rightist Ukranians have been shelling the separatists for years. What will mark an escalation will be an advance by Rightist Ukranian troops.
Some of these extremists have been compared with the Waffen SS. They wear Nazi insignia and Germany has refused to provide weaponry to Ukraine as a consequence.

Mobilization ordered in eastern Ukraine
The head of the Donetsk People’s Republic has called on all able-bodied men to stand up to “Kiev’s aggression”

The DPR said that Kiev began shelling villages along the frontline with heavy artillery on Thursday, and that the barrage had continued throughout Friday and on Saturday morning.

https://www.rt.com/russia/549944-breakaway-ukrainian-region-mobilization/
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It's time the US abandoned NATO. It's a useless anachronism (like the UN and the League of Nations before it) which only exists because of the US taxpayer, whose "investments" are repaid with double-dealing and anti-American words and deeds.

The other members don't "pay their fair share", anyway, something the left only pretends to care about when it suits them, apparently.
 
McSuckit said:
Old news.
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18 Feb, 2022

"A newly discovered document from March 1991 shows US, UK, French, and German officials discussing a pledge made to Moscow that NATO would not expand to Poland and beyond. Its publication by the German magazine Der Spiegel on Friday comes as expansion of the US-led bloc has led to a military standoff in Eastern Europe".

https://www.rt.com/news/549921-nato-expansion-russia-document/
 
Legion said:
18 Feb, 2022

"A newly discovered document from March 1991 shows US, UK, French, and German officials discussing a pledge made to Moscow that NATO would not expand to Poland and beyond. Its publication by the German magazine Der Spiegel on Friday comes as expansion of the US-led bloc has led to a military standoff in Eastern Europe".

https://www.rt.com/news/549921-nato-expansion-russia-document/
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Right. biden just wants a distraction war.
 
evince said:
RT? Suck that Putin cock moon
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Is the report (which was published yesterday in Der Speigel, BTW) false?

I'll understand if you're too stupid to know, of course.


Haw......haw........haw.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Right. biden just wants a distraction war.
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Sort of. I suspect that all Biden wants is ice cream and little girls. It's what his handlers want that counts, you know. I presume they're shitting themselves over how much fail their policies have produced, so a good little war will be just the thing to distract the low-information public. Hey, it worked for Thatcher.
 
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