Desh is stupid.
Document confirms US told Russia NATO won’t expand
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Desh is stupid.
I'm not suggesting. Executive agreements made by one president do not bind future presidents. Treaties are more legally binding after being ratified by the Senate and even treaties sometimes include terms to end that agreement. In this case, nothing in the article mentioned an international agreement or even an executive agreement involving the president. It was just a four countries whose foreign representatives (an Assistant Secretary of State for the U. S.) made this agreement. It did not involve the president (although I'm sure it had his approval) or most members of NATO. And, as Phantasmal pointed out, there is no more Soviet Union with which to keep an agreement. I don't think we would have pledged not to expand NATO if we thought Russia would expand into former Soviet territory.
Your subjective opinions are worthless.
NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard <-original non RT source
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-...rd-western-leaders-early#.WjAX9r_XxYI.twitter
Michail Gorbachev discussing German unification with Hans-Dietrich Genscher and Helmut Kohl in Russia, July 15, 1990.
Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-...rd-western-leaders-early#.WjAX9r_XxYI.twitter
Michail Gorbachev discussing German unification with Hans-Dietrich Genscher and Helmut Kohl in Russia, July 15, 1990.
Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
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This latter idea of special status for the GDR territory was codified in the final German unification treaty signed on September 12, 1990, by the Two-Plus-Four foreign ministers (see Document 25). The former idea about “closer to the Soviet borders” is written down not in treaties but in multiple memoranda of conversation between the Soviets and the highest-level Western interlocutors (Genscher, Kohl, Baker, Gates, Bush, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Major, Woerner, and others) offering assurances throughout 1990 and into 1991 about protecting Soviet security interests and including the USSR in new European security structures. The two issues were related but not the same. Subsequent analysis sometimes conflated the two and argued that the discussion did not involve all of Europe. The documents published below show clearly that it did.
The “Tutzing formula” immediately became the center of a flurry of important diplomatic discussions over the next 10 days in 1990, leading to the crucial February 10, 1990, meeting in Moscow between Kohl and Gorbachev when the West German leader achieved Soviet assent in principle to German unification in NATO, as long as NATO did not expand to the east. The Soviets would need much more time to work with their domestic opinion (and financial aid from the West Germans) before formally signing the deal in September 1990.
The conversations before Kohl’s assurance involved explicit discussion of NATO expansion, the Central and East European countries, and how to convince the Soviets to accept unification
(source documents at link)
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-...rd-western-leaders-early#.WjAX9r_XxYI.twitter
The “Tutzing formula” immediately became the center of a flurry of important diplomatic discussions over the next 10 days in 1990, leading to the crucial February 10, 1990, meeting in Moscow between Kohl and Gorbachev when the West German leader achieved Soviet assent in principle to German unification in NATO, as long as NATO did not expand to the east. The Soviets would need much more time to work with their domestic opinion (and financial aid from the West Germans) before formally signing the deal in September 1990.
The conversations before Kohl’s assurance involved explicit discussion of NATO expansion, the Central and East European countries, and how to convince the Soviets to accept unification
(source documents at link)
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-...rd-western-leaders-early#.WjAX9r_XxYI.twitter
we dont know it was a false flag/ or not. DNR and LDR (Donbas) have been escallating the shelling
Separatists have been calling for all able bodied men to the war
"Rally round the flag" cause Biden is an utter failure otherwise
So, you think agreements with a government that no longer exists is valid?Do you think the treaties between Rome and Carthage are still valid?
it wasn't codified in the Two-Plus-Four German unification treaty.
But assurances were made, and as a result Gorby accepted the treaty.
does the west's words have any validity or not?
You do know what “rt” is, correct?
I do. it causes Americans to freak out and not do any critical thinking
Biden is dragging NATO into a confrontation,not the other way around
Our intel agencies gin up Russiaphobia for the Russian Hoax and to assume more powerful roles in policy
see post 44. original source
moon
Satire for Sanity
The Iranians are insisting upon an escape-proof nuclear agreement. What a terrible indictment if Biden refuses to give one.
it was a formal treaty not an executive agreement like say P5+1 agreement was just an executive agreement
been focused on Russia as of late,, ill have to look at those negotiations to comment further
moon
Satire for Sanity
Yes- it's a Russian state-dependent media organization run along the same lines as the UK's BBC and Qatar's Al-Jazeera.
You do know who owns most of the US media, don't you ?
He may not.
Poor Anchovies.
BTW, should we tell him that a German magazine broke the story yesterday?
Poor Anchovies.
I don't think four diplomats can make an agreement without involving the other members of NATO. And, of course, are they still obligated when Russia ignored some of its agreements?
"The Treaty Obligationsof the Successor States of the Former Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, and Czechoslovakia: Do they Remain in Force?"
https://digitalcommons.du.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1686&context=djilp
Althea
Althea told me...........
That was before Georgia and Crimea.
Althea
Althea told me...........
Not really. I'd like to see the Russian side of the agreement. I'm sure they broke the rules