does Brexit push Great Britian to the back of the que?

Left said:
Negotiations on this scale can honestly take a lot more than two years.
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thats ok. You will have le penn take control of france next year. You already have orban and the rest in the east looks like the eu will collapse before that anyway.
 
cawacko said:
What am I missing? Obama just said today our relationship with the UK will continue to be strong
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ya. now that the vote is over and done with.

Ok ill give you an example in a macro sense and in a personal sense just so i can explain everything. Its not merely what is said. It is WHEN it is said.

Suppose if in ww2 the US sat it out. Or worse said that britain should give up to the nazis would the british trust the us the same after?

on a more personal note: Suppose that all the bernie supporters were waiting for an elizabeth warren endorsement. They knew she was one of them and no endorsement ever came even when bernie was struggling. Would they trust warren the same after?

related to this let us put the shoe on the other foot. Suppose there was something we really wanted with NATO and Germany did not want it. We count on the UK because of our long history together and they said that Germany should have it not us. Would we trust them the same after?
 
tsuke said:
ya. now that the vote is over and done with.

Ok ill give you an example in a macro sense and in a personal sense just so i can explain everything. Its not merely what is said. It is WHEN it is said.

Suppose if in ww2 the US sat it out. Or worse said that britain should give up to the nazis would the british trust the us the same after?

on a more personal note: Suppose that all the bernie supporters were waiting for an elizabeth warren endorsement. They knew she was one of them and no endorsement ever came even when bernie was struggling. Would they trust warren the same after?

related to this let us put the shoe on the other foot. Suppose there was something we really wanted with NATO and Germany did not want it. We count on the UK because of our long history together and they said that Germany should have it not us. Would we trust them the same after?
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Dude, that makes no sense. Most of Britian's elite wanted to stay. You think they're going to be mad at Obama and the U.S. for wanting the same thing?

And if they leave the EU you really think they are going to leave their most important ally as well? They'll need us even more if they go independent.

Look I clearly don't like Obama either but you're just making stuff up now.
 
cawacko said:
Dude, that makes no sense. Most of Britian's elite wanted to stay. You think they're going to be mad at Obama and the U.S. for wanting the same thing?

And if they leave the EU you really think they are going to leave their most important ally as well? They'll need us even more if they go independent.

Look I clearly don't like Obama either but you're just making stuff up now.
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the people will be mad. Let me give you another example. Consider the positions of priebus and DWS. Among the two which one was the most nuetral? Which one gave the impression that she was tilting the stage towards one candidate? Amongst these two now which is the target of the witchhunt?

You are making the mistake of the establishment thinking that the elites are the only thing that mattes. which is why they lost this brexit vote.

Your allies expect you to be with them in good times of little risk (like after the vote) what you do during tough times (during the vote) is what matters.

You bring up my dislike of obama. Sure I believe Trumps response was better yes more presidential. essentially "i think you should leave but dont listen to me its your vote" as opposed to "ill punish you if you vote leave"
 
anatta said:
Barack Obama: Brexit would put UK 'back of the queue'

has warned that the UK would be at the “back of the queue” in any trade deal with the US if the country chose to leave the EU, as he made an emotional plea to Britons to vote for staying in.

Obama argued that he had a right to respond to the claims of Brexit campaigners that Britain would easily be able to negotiate a fresh trade deal with the US. “They are voicing an opinion about what the United States is going to do, I figured you might want to hear from the president of the United States what I think the United States is going to do.

“And on that matter, for example, I think it’s fair to say that maybe some point down the line there might be a UK-US trade agreement, but it’s not going to happen any time soon because our focus is in negotiating with a big bloc, the European Union, to get a trade agreement done”.

He added: “The UK is going to be in the back of the queue.”

Standing alongside his visitor, Cameron said the referendum was the “sovereign choice of the British people” but it was important for voters to listen to the opinions of allies such as the president. “On this vital issue of trade, where Barack has made such a clear statement, we should remember why we are currently negotiating this biggest trade deal in the whole world, and in the whole world’s history, between the European Union and the United States.”

Obama argued that it was much more efficient for the US to negotiate with the EU as a bloc, rather than attempt to take on “piecemeal trade agreements”, and suggested that Brexit would send a signal of division to the world...

Cabinet minister Chris Grayling, who is leader of the House of Commons, told the Guardian: “We don’t have a free trade agreement now and we are already one of the US’s main trading partners. Equally our security partnership has little to do with the EU. So it feels rather as if today was about politics and not reality. We should not give up our independence just because of what President Obama said.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-brexit-uk-back-of-queue-for-trade-talks

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Obama has no say in the queue any more.....
 
tsuke said:
the people will be mad. Let me give you another example. Consider the positions of priebus and DWS. Among the two which one was the most nuetral? Which one gave the impression that she was tilting the stage towards one candidate? Amongst these two now which is the target of the witchhunt?

You are making the mistake of the establishment thinking that the elites are the only thing that mattes. which is why they lost this brexit vote.

Your allies expect you to be with them in good times of little risk (like after the vote) what you do during tough times (during the vote) is what matters.

You bring up my dislike of obama. Sure I believe Trumps response was better yes more presidential. essentially "i think you should leave but dont listen to me its your vote" as opposed to "ill punish you if you vote leave"
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The people will be mad? Give me a break. You think the people of Britain and America have agreed on everything over the last hundred years? You think our relationship is so fragil that people in the UK who supported leaving can never rely on Americans again?

I don't know what kind of relationships or alliances you have in your life but if you would throw away a friend because you disagreed with them on something you're not much of a friend.
 
STABILITY


the markets hate it you stupid fuck



what kind commerse will want to work on a deal that will soon be axed
 
Yes Desh. If Brexit goes through current deals will be broken and new deals will be made. That's generally how things work
 
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