Dog Park meeting #2!!!

I see no need for anyone to handle aggressive dogs.
I see no need for agressive dogs in our current culture.
 
Chapdog said:
I have found Poodles to be aggressive.. two large poodles attacked my boxer a couple years ago when on an off leash walk in the woods.
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It's the small dog syndrome, the same as the little guy syndrome .. they feel threatened by everything.
 
well they were a good size.. prob both upwards of 70pounds or so.. and my boxer was only like 80 or 85 at the time.
 
uscitizen said:
I see no need for anyone to handle aggressive dogs.
I see no need for agressive dogs in our current culture.
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Sorry, that's doesn't make sense.

Dogs were bred to perform specific duties and protection is one of those duties.

When I'm out of town I can sleep peacefully knowing that my dog is at home with my wife and daughter. They don't have to rely on a gun to protect them .. and a protective dog is a far better alternative to guns.

I love living in urban city environments, and my dogs have been all the protection I have ever needed.
 
myself and the owner of the poodles had to both grab one. my boxer came away with a nice gash on his jowel and scratch on his eye.
 
blackascoal said:
You not caring about breeds explains your not being concerned for the natural instincts of the dog .. which is fine, but that's not me.

I hope you didn't get the impression that my dogs don't do what I say or are aggressive towards me. That's not what I'm talking about. In fact, I usually put a CDX on my dogs. All of my dogs get personal protection training, which requires a social, yet aggressive when called for dog.

Ceasar's shows are midly entertaining but are for people who don't know how to handle dogs.Those who don't want or can't handle aggressive dogs should stick to poodles.
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How is not caring about breeds not caring about a dogs natural instincts?

Any breed has it individuals and they all range from alpha to submissive. My dog is alhpa all the way. My dog also knows that NO dog is alhpa over me not even her. I have many a time at the dog park walked up to two or more dogs I did not know who were starting to be agressive with each other and looked at them and said my my deepest booming voice NO and used my body language to impart to them that I WAS ALPHA and they needed to do what I say. I have never been bit and it always stops. All Ceaser show is a tool for learning and he has helped many dog owners I have talked to includig me.

When my dog gets agressive she knows I can tell her she is not allowed to.
That is being the alpha of the pack and she knows I lead all and all have to follow.
 
Good quick test when picking a puppy.. take puppy and put on its back and stair at its face. If it looks away more likely submissive. If stars at you more likely alpha.

for our current lab we took the puppy that was most submissive since i have a small child.
 
Another way to judge that same test is to pick one who goes limp in your arms.

I had a small child when I got my girl and I told him about the test before we went to pick.

I picked up my girl for the first time when she was three months old and she went completely all relaxed in my arms. She did not look away she looked me straight in the face. She has been the smartest dog I have ever owned and a dream of a little charactor full of life and personality.
 
Desh said:
How is not caring about breeds not caring about a dogs natural instincts?

Any breed has it individuals and they all range from alpha to submissive. My dog is alhpa all the way. My dog also knows that NO dog is alhpa over me not even her. I have many a time at the dog park walked up to two or more dogs I did not know who were starting to be agressive with each other and looked at them and said my my deepest booming voice NO and used my body language to impart to them that I WAS ALPHA and they needed to do what I say. I have never been bit and it always stops. All Ceaser show is a tool for learning and he has helped many dog owners I have talked to includig me.

When my dog gets agressive she knows I can tell her she is not allowed to.
That is being the alpha of the pack and she knows I lead all and all have to follow.
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ALL purebred breeds have specific traits and characteristics which is how they are able to be classified and grouped by these characteristics.

I've trained dogs for a lot of years, but I'm not talking about training, I'm taling about instincts and characteristics. Obviously you have not trained protection dogs or there wouldn't be any mystery about what I'm discussing.

I repeat, Ceasar's shows are for people who do not know what they're doing and who do not know how to properly train and socialize a dog .. nor are his shows designed for people who train protection dogs.

Dogs are not toys or children and far too many people have them that don't know what they're doing .. thus the tremendous numbers of dogs that end up at animal shelters waiting to be put to death.
 
Chapdog said:
Good quick test when picking a puppy.. take puppy and put on its back and stair at its face. If it looks away more likely submissive. If stars at you more likely alpha.

for our current lab we took the puppy that was most submissive since i have a small child.
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A submissive dog may be more prone to bite than a confident dog, especially with children.

A better test when picking a puppy is the keys test .. throw a bunch of keys in the middle of the puppy group and see who runs .. then comes back to investigate the keys .. or the umbrella test .. place an unopened umbrella in the middle of the puppy group and open it. See who comes back to investigate.

Test courage, not fear.
 
blackascoal said:
He is a very social dog and even small children run up to and sometimes over him. They grab his beard and many children, often no taller than he is, have walked right up to his face and stared right at him. I have no concern for the safety of those children knowing that Tupac will never hurt them.
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LOL. I LOVE that you named your dawg Tupac!
 
Yeah, you get bonus points for naming your dog Tupac.

I used to have an Australian heeler--- probably the best dog I ever had. I used to run around and let her herd me. :P
 
blackascoal said:
ALL purebred breeds have specific traits and characteristics which is how they are able to be classified and grouped by these characteristics.

I've trained dogs for a lot of years, but I'm not talking about training, I'm taling about instincts and characteristics. Obviously you have not trained protection dogs or there wouldn't be any mystery about what I'm discussing.

I repeat, Ceasar's shows are for people who do not know what they're doing and who do not know how to properly train and socialize a dog .. nor are his shows designed for people who train protection dogs.

Dogs are not toys or children and far too many people have them that don't know what they're doing .. thus the tremendous numbers of dogs that end up at animal shelters waiting to be put to death.
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Too cool I did not know you do this professionally.

My son is interested and is joining the Airforce soon and would love to try and get into this type of schooling through them. Got ay tips for him?

How did you get into it?
 
Desh said:
To cool I did not know you do this professionally.

My son is interested and is joining the Airforce soon and would love to try and get into this type of schooling through them. Got ay tips for him?

How did you get into it?
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I got into personal protection training as an extension of the obedience training I was doing and frankly, because I grew up in Detroit where a good protection dog is highly valued. So valued in fact that training dogs helped me get through college without ever having a student loan. My intrerest was in personal protection and obedience.

Unfortunately, I got so good at it that my best customers were dealers. I know .. I deserve a thousand lashes for that but I had a business and I was in no place to dictate what my customers do for a living. I would raise my prices if I thought the guy was a dealer, but no matter how much I raised them they had no problem paying. They would give me $500. tips. I know, I hate myself.

But I digress .. You might want to take your son to watch police dog training which is often allowed by the departments.

There are also protection sports that you might want him to see. like Schutzhund. Dogs with Schutzhund degrees are proficient in obediance, although a bit differen t from AKC obediance, tracking, and protection. The problem for real protection dogs and Schutzund is that the dog gets sleeve-happy and not focused on the work.

There are several areas of protection and each has its own disciplines and requirements of the dog.

Police dog work requires tracking, scenting, and an aggressive dog that does not have to be completely social with anyone other than the handlers.

Area protection only requires a dog that will defend his territory such as a yard, building, or specific area. These dogs are not usually social at all.

Military dog work depends on the needs of the unit he's assigned to. They have to remain confident under gun fire and singuarly focused on a "mission" or assignment.

Personal protection requires a dog that is completely social. This dog must have the ability to be taken everywhere, including supermarkets, malls, or even a library. But this type of dog must be working while in these environments. It must maintain vigilance at all times. It must also be an aggressive "man-dog" that will rise to challenges and direct threats .. thus this dog must have the ability to make good decisions. Aggression alone does not qualify every dog for this role.

Training a personal protection dog requires allowing the dog to "win" in certain situations. Submissive dogs do not qualify for this role. The dog must be allowed to make decisions on his own. An overly submitted dog does not qualify for this role.

In the end, all dogs offer protection, even small yappers. Criminal like Richard Ramirez stalks and enters homes at night. You can have a gun in your home and that woun't stop him, but a tiny Pekinese yapper will.

If you son has any questions I'll be glad to help direct him to someone or group in your area.
 
who should we contact? I think he is more interested in police dogs. He has always had a interest in police work and is looking for something that can transfer into non military life after his stent.
 
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