Dutch Uncle
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Terry secretly gives the special salute to President Musk like all MAGAts.
DOGE finds over a billion-a-week in fraudulent SS payments
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Dutch Uncle
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^^^
Plays a lawyer online, but a demented MAGAt geezer in reality.
I'm more curious to see when Congress will grow a spine and put a stop to this bulldozing of American rights.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Congress has never had a spine. It's a can of worms and always will be.
Dutch Uncle
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Does that mean you are fine with DOGE getting rid of it and just letting them run the country, Terry?
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
DOGE isn't going to run anything. On the other hand, I can't see why anyone would be opposed to letting them try and find fraud, waste, and abuse in federal spending.
So, why are you so opposed to it?
What planet do you live on, Walter?
Weren't you taught to not bear false witness?
DOGE Subcommittee's First Hearing Uncovers Billions Lost ...
United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability - (.gov)
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2 days ago — WASHINGTON—The Subcommittee on Delivering on Government Efficiency (DOGE) held its inaugural hearing today titled “The War on Waste: ...
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
The Apartheid Punk is like his Orange Oaf stooge .... making all types of half assed claims that seem all grandiose, but either greatly diminish or become out & out fraud under proper scrutiny.
What's hysterical is dumbasses like our resident MAGA mooks think the end game of privatizing SocSec won't have a negative effect on them. They'll parrot anything that gives them a glimmer of hope that they weren't played for suckers by voting for this mess.
What's hysterical is dumbasses like our resident MAGA mooks think the end game of privatizing SocSec won't have a negative effect on them. They'll parrot anything that gives them a glimmer of hope that they weren't played for suckers by voting for this mess.
Diogenes
Nemo me impune lacessit
Dutch Uncle
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The evidence indicates they are. Time will tell.
I'm all for finding fraud, waste and abuse in federal spending. Start with Congress. They're the ones who authorize the budget.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
As usual, the Apartheid Punk grossly exaggerates on the facts:
Mr. Musk has a point that there are such examples of improbably old people with active Social Security files as well as billions of dollars in overpayment or erroneous payments in Social Security. But whether those examples amount to an extraordinary amount of fraud, as he has claimed on social media, is a matter of opinion and requires additional context.
Last year, a report from the Social Security Administration’s inspector general’s office found that the agency had issued $71.8 billion in improper payments from fiscal years 2015 to 2022. That figure represents about 0.84 percent of $8.6 trillion in benefits paid over that time. A November 2021 report estimated that the agency had made $298 million in payments after death to about 24,000 beneficiaries, and urged the agency to improve the timeliness and accuracy of its death data.
The inspector general’s office also reported in 2023 that there were some 18.9 million people born in 1920 or earlier with Social Security numbers but no death information in the electronic file the agency uses to identify each person. About 44,000 of those people were receiving Social Security Benefits. The Census Bureau estimated that there were about 86,000 people in the United States older than 100.
www.nytimes.com/2025/02/11/us/elon-musk-doge-fact-check.html
Mr. Musk has a point that there are such examples of improbably old people with active Social Security files as well as billions of dollars in overpayment or erroneous payments in Social Security. But whether those examples amount to an extraordinary amount of fraud, as he has claimed on social media, is a matter of opinion and requires additional context.
Last year, a report from the Social Security Administration’s inspector general’s office found that the agency had issued $71.8 billion in improper payments from fiscal years 2015 to 2022. That figure represents about 0.84 percent of $8.6 trillion in benefits paid over that time. A November 2021 report estimated that the agency had made $298 million in payments after death to about 24,000 beneficiaries, and urged the agency to improve the timeliness and accuracy of its death data.
The inspector general’s office also reported in 2023 that there were some 18.9 million people born in 1920 or earlier with Social Security numbers but no death information in the electronic file the agency uses to identify each person. About 44,000 of those people were receiving Social Security Benefits. The Census Bureau estimated that there were about 86,000 people in the United States older than 100.
www.nytimes.com/2025/02/11/us/elon-musk-doge-fact-check.html
A world where Musk "feeling" like he saved $50 billion, without actually saving $50 billion is not savings.
Dutch Uncle
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As proved previously, Musk lies a lot although he called it being "incorrect". LOL
Get a clue, Walter.
Hearing Wrap Up: DOGE Subcommittee’s First Hearing Uncovers Billions Lost to Fraud and Improper Payments, Launches “War on Waste”
WASHINGTON—The Subcommittee on Delivering on Government Efficiency (DOGE) held its inaugural hearing today titled “The War on Waste: Stamping Out the Scourge of Improper Payments and Fraud” to investigate the hundreds of billions of taxpayers’ dollars wasted annually on improper payments and fraud. Expert witnesses shared step-by-step plans to improve payment systems, close loopholes, decrease fraud, and save American taxpayers billions of dollars every year. Members explained how the DOGE Subcommittee will aid President Trump and Elon Musk in their efforts to rein in the runaway bureaucracy. Majority members also cited potential legislation that would help facilitate DOGE’s efforts to improve payment accuracy and eliminate improper payments and fraud across federal agencies. The DOGE Subcommittee’s “War on Waste” will help ensure Americans see their tax dollars spent efficiently and effectively.
Key Takeaways:
The DOGE Subcommittee will actively work with President Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency to root out waste, shore up vulnerable payment systems, and fully investigate schemes to defraud taxpayers.
- Dawn Royal, a certified welfare investigator and the Director of United Council on Welfare Fraud, explained how career bureaucrats, currently facing scrutiny from President Trump and Elon Musk, play down problems in the system in an effort to protect their political interests: “Investigators have also found themselves at odds with the career bureaucrats who recite watered down facts about fraud in order to promote their political agendas. Specifically, we can look to the career bureaucrats who have historically claimed that the fraud rate in SNAP is less than 1%. The disregard for the value of integrity is evidenced by the less than 1/20 of 1% of the SNAP budget spent on the prevention, detection, and prosecution of fraud…Sadly, it is already apparent that career bureaucrats are not being totally transparent as they attempt to protect spending and broken programs.”
- Rep. Michael Cloud (R-Texas) celebrated the success of President Trump, Elon Musk, and their Department of Government Efficiency in swiftly rooting out government waste and also thanked Subcommittee Chairwoman Greene for her efforts to bring the DOGE agenda to Congress: “Thankfully with DOGE, we have a president bringing the leadership needed and a focused effort, along with the talent, technology, tools, and transparency to this waste, fraud and abuse. And to those who would stand opposed to this effort, I would just point out, while it’s understandable to find waste, fraud and abuse that has grown and metastasized in the government even over decades, certainly accelerated in the last few years, to continue to protect it is corruption. I want to thank the Chair for beginning this war on waste on this side of Pennsylvania Avenue and bringing together this Committee. This effort is so important as we work to relieve the American people of this burden of waste, fraud and abuse.”
Dutch Uncle
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Elon Musk said "some of the things that I say will be incorrect”.
It has been "uncovered"? And yet zero specific cases have been proven?
So basically, they will be launching in the future some investigation, and want to claim credit for that investigation's achievements before it has any achievements?
OK, you are complaining there is not enough overhead being spent? And that is a reason to cut overhead further? Staffing is so low that less than 0.05% of the SNAP budget is spent on preventing, detecting, and prosecuting fraud(according to you). It is time that the President demands an increase in staffing, and Congress approves it.
They just started, Walter.
No, I am complaining about the waste, fraud, and abuse that is being uncovered daily, Walter.
Do try to become a bit more informed, Walter.
Diogenes
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They just started but have uncovered billions in fraud that they will uncover once they investigate.
You do know how gullible you are, don't you, Earl?
Do you imagine that all by yourself?
Diogenes
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I imagine not. Mr. Pitiful.