DOGE finds over a billion-a-week in fraudulent SS payments

T. A. Gardner

T. A. Gardner

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In the latest finding by DOGE, over $100 billion in payments a year are being made to persons--presumably--with no social security number, taxpayer ID number, or other identifying documentation on record. Of that, Treasury workers say that at least $50 billion--a billion a week--is paid out to fraudulent claims. This has been ongoing, and if it's even remotely true, first it's insane, and second, there are lots of people in government jobs that need to be fucking fired on the spot for letting it happen.

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Meanwhile, over in the MSM, outlets like CBS are whining that Musk has access to the data on treasury accounts and how horrible that is.

www.cbsnews.com

Elon Musk's access to Treasury's payment system is raising alarms. Here's what to know.

Elon Musk's control of a federal payment system is raising concerns about funding for programs like Social Security and the safety of personal data.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

Well, if $50 billion or $100 billion, or whatever the number is, of our tax money is being given away to persons unknown fraudulently and nobody up to now could figure it out at Treasury, I say fire the bastards. As for CBS et. al., they can fuck off.
 
BartenderElite said:
Is there evidence of this - or is this just DOGE telling us this at this point?
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Yes there is evidence of this going on. First, Musk / DOGE has been going through Treasury's payment accounts and can see amounts and to whom the payments went. Second, Treasury staff and personnel are saying it is happening, and they should be the ones that know.

It's clear that there are people working at the Treasury Department that are allowing billions in payments to be made to questionable, and sometimes clearly fraudulent, recipients.

It's also clear that the MSM and Democrats are more upset that Musk and DOGE have access to these records than the FACT that billions are being paid out to unauthorized and fraudulent recipients.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
In the latest finding by DOGE, over $100 billion in payments a year are being made to persons--presumably--with no social security number, taxpayer ID number, or other identifying documentation on record. Of that, Treasury workers say that at least $50 billion--a billion a week--is paid out to fraudulent claims. This has been ongoing, and if it's even remotely true, first it's insane, and second, there are lots of people in government jobs that need to be fucking fired on the spot for letting it happen.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Elon Musk alleges US Treasury fraud costs Americans $50 billion a year-'$1 billion vanishes weekly!'

Elon Musk has voiced concerns about widespread fraud in US government entitlement payments, alleging that over $100 billion may be disbursed annually to individuals without valid identification. He has highlighted inefficiencies in the Treasurys payment system and pushed for reforms, including...
economictimes.indiatimes.com economictimes.indiatimes.com

www.foxbusiness.com

Elon Musk alleges $50B in fraud at Treasury after judge blocks DOGE audit

Tesla CEO Elon Musk wrote a lengthy X post Saturday publicizing allegations of waste in the Treasury Department and outlining future goals after a recent court order.
www.foxbusiness.com www.foxbusiness.com

Meanwhile, over in the MSM, outlets like CBS are whining that Musk has access to the data on treasury accounts and how horrible that is.

www.cbsnews.com

Elon Musk's access to Treasury's payment system is raising alarms. Here's what to know.

Elon Musk's control of a federal payment system is raising concerns about funding for programs like Social Security and the safety of personal data.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

Well, if $50 billion or $100 billion, or whatever the number is, of our tax money is being given away to persons unknown fraudulently and nobody up to now could figure it out at Treasury, I say fire the bastards. As for CBS et. al., they can fuck off.
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MAGAt moron.

"The SSA estimates that it made about $13.6 billion worth of improper payments during the 2022 fiscal year."

www.investopedia.com

Social Security Fraud: What Is It Costing Taxpayers?

Social Security fraud costs the U.S. government and individual consumers millions, possibly billions, of dollars every year.
www.investopedia.com www.investopedia.com
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Yes there is evidence of this going on. First, Musk / DOGE has been going through Treasury's payment accounts and can see amounts and to whom the payments went. Second, Treasury staff and personnel are saying it is happening, and they should be the ones that know.

It's clear that there are people working at the Treasury Department that are allowing billions in payments to be made to questionable, and sometimes clearly fraudulent, recipients.

It's also clear that the MSM and Democrats are more upset that Musk and DOGE have access to these records than the FACT that billions are being paid out to unauthorized and fraudulent recipients.
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I wouldn't characterize any of that as evidence.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
In the latest finding by DOGE, over $100 billion in payments a year are being made to persons--presumably--with no social security number, taxpayer ID number, or other identifying documentation on record. Of that, Treasury workers say that at least $50 billion--a billion a week--is paid out to fraudulent claims. This has been ongoing, and if it's even remotely true, first it's insane, and second, there are lots of people in government jobs that need to be fucking fired on the spot for letting it happen.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Elon Musk alleges US Treasury fraud costs Americans $50 billion a year-'$1 billion vanishes weekly!'

Elon Musk has voiced concerns about widespread fraud in US government entitlement payments, alleging that over $100 billion may be disbursed annually to individuals without valid identification. He has highlighted inefficiencies in the Treasurys payment system and pushed for reforms, including...
economictimes.indiatimes.com economictimes.indiatimes.com

www.foxbusiness.com

Elon Musk alleges $50B in fraud at Treasury after judge blocks DOGE audit

Tesla CEO Elon Musk wrote a lengthy X post Saturday publicizing allegations of waste in the Treasury Department and outlining future goals after a recent court order.
www.foxbusiness.com www.foxbusiness.com

Meanwhile, over in the MSM, outlets like CBS are whining that Musk has access to the data on treasury accounts and how horrible that is.

www.cbsnews.com

Elon Musk's access to Treasury's payment system is raising alarms. Here's what to know.

Elon Musk's control of a federal payment system is raising concerns about funding for programs like Social Security and the safety of personal data.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

Well, if $50 billion or $100 billion, or whatever the number is, of our tax money is being given away to persons unknown fraudulently and nobody up to now could figure it out at Treasury, I say fire the bastards. As for CBS et. al., they can fuck off.
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Let's see if he can back up those claims with evidence. So far, like the Orange Jesus himself, Elon seems to be mostly hot air.
 
Diesel said:
MAGAt moron.

"The SSA estimates that it made about $13.6 billion worth of improper payments during the 2022 fiscal year."

www.investopedia.com

Social Security Fraud: What Is It Costing Taxpayers?

Social Security fraud costs the U.S. government and individual consumers millions, possibly billions, of dollars every year.
www.investopedia.com www.investopedia.com
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Moron. The payments weren't just social security payments, they were payments of all sorts made by the Treasury. And, if $13.6 billion were improper social security payments don't you think we should have somebody looking into how to stop that?

Seems to me you're in the Democrat camp that it's all fine and nothing should be done about all of this by your responses here.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Moron. The payments weren't just social security payments, they were payments of all sorts made by the Treasury. And, if $13.6 billion were improper social security payments don't you think we should have somebody looking into how to stop that?

Seems to me you're in the Democrat camp that it's all fine and nothing should be done about all of this by your responses here.
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Are you trying to pronounce "Democratic"? Democrat is a noun, not an adjective, Illiterate.

Do you remember what you titled this thread?

"DOGE finds over a billion-a-week in fraudulent SS payments"​

 
There are claims that the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has identified significant fraudulent activity in Social Security payments. Specifically, it has been reported that DOGE found over $100 billion per year in payments to individuals without a Social Security Number (SSN) or with temporary ID numbers, which could equate to around $1 billion a week in fraudulent payments.

However, these figures come with some caveats:

  • News Reports: Various news outlets have mentioned that Elon Musk's DOGE has publicized allegations of waste in the Treasury Department, including claims about fraudulent Social Security payments. For instance, one report cited Musk alleging $50 billion in fraud, which he connected to payments going to individuals without proper SSNs.
  • Legal and Political Challenges: The activities of DOGE have been met with legal challenges, including a federal judge blocking DOGE's access to certain Treasury payment systems due to alleged concerns over privacy and misuse of sensitive information. This suggests that findings by DOGE are not universally accepted.
  • Verification and Bias: The information primarily stems from sources associated with or favorable to the political figures involved. There's a need for independent verification of these claims since they are politically charged and part of a broader narrative of government efficiency and spending cuts.
  • Social Media Posts: Posts on social media platforms have echoed these claims, but social media can be a source of misinformation or exaggerated claims, especially in politically charged contexts.

Given these points:

  • Yes, there are public statements and reports suggesting that DOGE has identified over a billion dollars a week in potentially fraudulent Social Security payments.
  • However, the exact accuracy, methodology, and legal standing of these findings are subjects of ongoing debate and legal challenges. Therefore, while these claims have been made public, they should be viewed with caution until further, independent audits or legal clarifications are provided.


@Grok
 
Diesel said:
Are you trying to pronounce "Democratic"? Democrat is a noun, not an adjective, Illiterate.

Do you remember what you titled this thread?

"DOGE finds over a billion-a-week in fraudulent SS payments"​

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So, which is it, the Democratic party who's members are Democratics, or the Democrat party who's members are Democrats? Democratic when used as the name of the party is a NOUN.

As for the title, look at you! Nitpicking a minor point in an attempt to derail the thread with an reductio ad absurdum fallacy. If you think the important part of that title is what the payments were versus that they're being made, you are an oblivious fool and tool of the Democrats and Left.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
So, which is it, the Democratic party who's members are Democratics, or the Democrat party who's members are Democrats? Democratic when used as the name of the party is a NOUN.

As for the title, look at you! Nitpicking a minor point in an attempt to derail the thread with an reductio ad absurdum fallacy. If you think the important part of that title is what the payments were versus that they're being made, you are an oblivious fool and tool of the Democrats and Left.
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I'm going to give you a chance to go research nouns and adjectives. Perhaps you have an 8-year-old relative or neighbor who can help you. Democrats are members of the Democratic party, you fucking brainwashed imbecile.

As for the title, YOU FUCKED UP. The "minor point" is that the entire premise of your trash thread is wrong. You're just another MAGAt. Running around the internet spitting untruths at anyone you pass.
 
Diesel said:
I'm going to give you a chance to go research nouns and adjectives. Perhaps you have an 8-year-old relative or neighbor who can help you. Democrats are members of the Democratic party, you fucking brainwashed imbecile.

As for the title, YOU FUCKED UP. The "minor point" is that the entire premise of your trash thread is wrong. You're just another MAGAt. Running around the internet spitting untruths at anyone you pass.
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Democrats are persons and that makes Democrat a NOUN. The name of the party is a NOUN. In English you need agreement on those from one sentence to the next. Thus, if the party is called the Democratic Party. Then the members are Democratics. If the members are called Democrats, then the party name should be Democrats.

So, if you want, I can use Democratic and Democratics omitting Democrat as it is erroneous. Or, I can go the other way and call both Democrat.

After all, every other political party on the planet gets this correct. Green Party members are Greens. Republican party members are Republicans. Even in the UK the Labor party's members are Labor.

But the retarded Democratic Party in the US seemingly can't figure out how to use proper English.
 
I'm calling bullshit on this.
The current criminal administration is hellbent on totally destroying the entire structure of the American government in order to install their fascist corporate oligarch regime. They're doing it right now.

JPP members who don't see this CLEARLY
are intellectually deficient, morally dissipated, and generally fucked up beyond hope.

They're not personally responsible, I suppose, for their genetic worthlessness,
but I viscerally and seethingly hate them anyway.

That, I suppose, is MY sole serious character flaw.
 
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