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Yeah I forgot about that!
Don't argue politics with a Liberal friend...
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SmarterthanYou
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i want you to think about this then, the mere accusation is enough to remove a right. this hardly sounds 'liberal' but authoritarian. you are no liberal. i think you're an authoritarian in disguise.LOL
I already answered your questions. You have since asked them three times, "to be clear". My answers remain the same. Your my penis is bigger than yours thing won't work with me. Try it on one of the guys, they can usually be goaded.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I have a ton of friends, liberal and conservative, and libertarian, but these are my music loving buddies, who happen to mostly be liberal. I believe I am the most conservative of the group. There used to be another guy who hung out with us, who I always thought was liberal or libertarian, since he drove a VW hippie van and smoked pot. The others kept telling me that he was conservative, which seemed odd to me. One night, he got plastered and kind of went Mel Gibson on us, reeling off some rant about shadow governments, and following that with some very racist and anti-Semitic remarks. He ruined the whole weekend for everybody, and has never been invited to another get-together. The guy wasn't liberal, libertarian, or conservative, he was sounding a lot like a Nazi or Klan member to me, but I thought it was interesting the liberals thought he was conservative.
No, if you read what I said, you'd know that wasn't what I told her. You are guilty of the same thing she was, as well as Darla and other pro-choice libs, you stopped listening as soon as you heard "I am pro-life..." That's all it took for you to formulate your whole opinion on my viewpoint, you didn't bother to listen to my entire point about being able to compromise. Oddly enough, this is the exact point I was trying to make! Why is it, we can't sit down like reasonable people, and find a rational compromise? Why are we so divided? It appears to be, because some people aren't willing to set aside their personal feelings long enough to actually LISTEN to someone else. It's because there is no respect for the opinions of others, if you are a liberal.
I am never going to believe that it is perfectly okay for women to have the right to end human life whenever they choose. That's a fundamental belief I have, and nothing is ever going to change it. I don't have to justify it, I don't have to legitimize it, and I'm not going to pretend that's not how I feel. I can, however, accept that others don't share my opinion, and I'm okay with that. If some sort of compromise happened, where we no longer allowed abortion-on-demand, and it became a rare and unusual thing, only done under rare and unusual circumstances, or even if it were made legal on a state-by-state basis, I would still believe it's wrong for a woman to choose to end a human's life. My opinion wouldn't change, but I could accept the compromise, as a condition of living in a civil society. I don't have to say "my way or the highway" on this, I am willing to accept some kind of compromise, where both sides get a little of what they want, and no one gets everything. To me, that's how civilized societies are supposed to function. But we can never get there, as long as liberals remain totally closed-minded and refuse to even listen to someone with a differing view.
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There already has been a compromise. It's known as Roe v. Wade. Most Americans are comfortable with this compromise, which permits abortion within the first trimester.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. But, to quote the late Harry Browne, "Given the results of the government's War on Poverty and the War on Drugs, we can assume that a War on Abortion will lead within five years to men having abortions."
You agree that the government doesn't work when it comes to reducing poverty. But you think they'll do an alright job of reducing abortions, without infringing upon women's privacy?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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That's the thing that really scares me about Liberals. They tend to be real Fascist Authoritarians.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I think you better go check up on the law, bud. Abortions are being performed on fetuses as they exit the womb! In fact, Obama backed an infanticide bill which would have permitted doctors to terminate a baby AFTER birth, if it happened to pop out before they could abort it. And most people AREN'T comfortable with Roe v. Wade, that's why it's such a firebrand issue. It's about evenly split, half of us are okay with Roe, half of us are not.
Compromise is not: you get to have all the abortions you want, at any stage you please, and pro-lifers can sit in the corner and shut the fuck up about it.
I think abortion is a terrible and unfortunate thing. I wish we lived in a more advanced society, and could implement some approach like Damo has presented, but we don't. It bothers me that we are killing about a million babies a year, and half of America has no problem with it. I don't want government to reduce abortions, I don't care what government does, I want the PEOPLE on both sides, to respect each other's different opinions, and work together toward some compromise. Something where we aren't just performing abortions for the sake of vanity and convenience, but it's a much more serious matter, with criteria which have to be met, and the understanding this is termination of human life. If we ever get to that point, I will be satisfied. I will still not condone or approve of abortion, but I could live with this sort of a compromise.
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Repent, America!
Abortion is murder.
Murder is sin.
Murder is sin.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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You should try sobering up before you post, it might make more sense that way.
You're talking about allowing abortion only in the case of rape, incest & a threat to the life of the mother. That ain't no kind of compromise.
As was said, we have a compromise, and it's a good one - Roe.
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You're for sensible gun control on a Constitutional Right that is spelled out in that document and adhered to for over 200 years.....
Conservatives want sensible abortion control on a "right" that was invented out or whole cloth by an activist court.....the word 'privacy' had to be
spin, distorted and literally redefined and still, has nothing to do with killing humans at any stage of life....
{The phrase "made out of whole cloth" (and variants) currently
means "utterly without foundation in fact, completely fictitious."}
You think Cons should compromise, and yet your kind won't even bend, on these issues.....interesting.
I don't know where you heard this stuff......I'm pretty sure abortion in the US is the "abortion on demand" style.....up to an including partial birth abortion.....
thats hardly first trimester stuff....
Its is the law and we live with the law...it is the way it is........what I find repulsive is that its most ardent supporters refuse to admit what the procedure does in scientific reality......kill an ongoing life in its early development.....
We allow it, but we should not lie about what it is we are doing just to make it more acceptable........
My wish to the universe, that you come back as a woman.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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No, we don't have a compromise. And I am not necessarily talking about JUST rape and incest, or threat to mother's life. I am okay with allowing any woman to get an abortion during the first trimester, if they undergo some sort of counseling and have to adhere to some kind of waiting period. I just think this needs to be treated as a much more serious issue than it currently is. After all, we are ending a human's life, shouldn't we do this with the greatest of deference?
Like I said many times before......Its up to you (or me), the individual, its legal.....enjoy yourself and have as many as you want....
there is no limit on its use, I'm certainly not stopping you.......just admit to what it is you're doing and don't give me a song and dance about it not being a human in its earliest stages of growth and development by calling the human funny names that mean nothing more than teenager or adult or geriatric........
Most medical facilities require an evaluation before an abortion, plus there is usually a waiting period between said evaluation and the appointment for the proceedure.
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Darla
I think a lot of this paternalistic bullshit comes from the stereotype of the woman seeking an abortion as some stupid slut who got pregnant and is confused.
Of course, most women who have abortions are already mothers. They know better than Dixie or any other fool who is going to "counsel" them what is happening and what the result will be if they don't stop it. That's why they are there. They are pregnant, they know they are pregnant, and already being mothers in most cases, know what will happen if they do not terminate the pregnancy.
Forced counseling is simply unacceptable and will not be tolerated in sane states. Which thankfully, I live in.
Of course, most women who have abortions are already mothers. They know better than Dixie or any other fool who is going to "counsel" them what is happening and what the result will be if they don't stop it. That's why they are there. They are pregnant, they know they are pregnant, and already being mothers in most cases, know what will happen if they do not terminate the pregnancy.
Forced counseling is simply unacceptable and will not be tolerated in sane states. Which thankfully, I live in.