I can only say that I am told by a Mormon that what I said is true. I will admit to not being an expert on the subject. I have not once said anything negative or intolerant about Mormons.
Double Mormon Ticket...
- Thread starter Jarod
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I can only say that I am told by a Mormon that what I said is true. I will admit to not being an expert on the subject. I have not once said anything negative or intolerant about Mormons.
christiefan915
Catalyst
OMG that is so true. And they're permitted to lie about the church if it means defending it against attacks.
"Evidence presented in this essay establishes that when the church image or its leaders needed protection it was and is, okay to fib, deceive, distort, inflate, minimize, exaggerate, prevaricate or lie. You will read quotations by church leaders who admitted that deception is a useful tool to protect the church and its leaders "when they are in tight spot," or "to beat the devil at his own game." They admit engaging in moral gymnastics; that God approves of deception - if it's done to protect the "Lord's Church" or "the brethren" as the leaders are called."
http://www.mormonthink.com/lying.htm
zappasguitar
Well-known member
As I said, it was what they taught me, on Sunday, while I was a member of the Mormon church.
As a young adult, I attended Sunday School and was taught that anyone who is baptized into the church is considered a member of the church for life.
I haven't attended an LDS church since the early 80's. Since that time I've lived in Colorado, Oregon, Idaho, Texas and New Mexico. No matter where I moved to, the church somehow found me and sent the missionaries by to say hello and see how I was.
It's like someone else said in this thread, you can quit the church and move on with your life, but the church considers you a member for life.
YOU BIGOT!
christiefan915
Catalyst
Are you kidding? This is what he wrote: "According to the Mormon church once baptised you cannot leave the church... Marco Rubio was baptised in the Mormon Church. What are the chances of a double mormon ticket?"
If he had written "According to the [Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Presby, etc.] church once baptised you cannot leave the church...
Marco Rubio was baptised in the [Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Presby, etc.] Church. What are the chances of a double [Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Presby, etc.] ticket?" would that be bigoted? I don't think so.
If someone wants to argue if this is a Mormon belief [i.e. once baptized you cannot leave] then it's a theological argument, not bigotry.
If someone wants to inquire whether two members of a particular religion would be on the presidential ticket, it's about appealing to the electorate, not bigotry.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
I'm sorry...
How does a website created by a disgruntled ex church member "prove" that you are right?
I saw no church verified "facts" proving your point whatsoever.
I, however. didn't get my "facts" from some anonymous website...mine came from my time as a Mormon.
christiefan915
Catalyst
You're just a straying sheep who needs to be brought back into the flock!
zappasguitar
Well-known member
And how about you link to an "official" LDS website that says you can have your name removed, and that once you do, the church will officially recognize you as having left. You know, an "official" site and not just a site created by some disgruntled ex church member, like you expect from Jarod?
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christiefan915
Catalyst
And on another part of that website the writer says:
"This site was created to provide information on how to leave the Mormon church. The church calls this process 'name removal' and members call it 'getting your name off the records of the church' even though the church never removes a member's name from the records at all. What they do when you resign is indicate in the records that you are no longer a member, that your name was 'removed' on such-and-such a date..."
"Even though you have a legal right to resign from a church, the Mormon church isn't very gracious about letting people go. If they wanted, they could make the process efficient and they could treat resigning members with respect. Instead, leaders of the church have chosen to make it a lengthy and difficult process. Perhaps they want to make it an unpleasant process in order to discourage people from resigning. We'll keep trying to convince them to handle resignations promptly and with respect."
http://www.mormonnomore.com/
zappasguitar
Well-known member
The church even has a name for members who've stopped going to church, I don't remember what the technical term was, but the slang term was "Jack Mormon".
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zappasguitar
Well-known member
What's that?
Are you claiming that the website which ol Dalai Damo himself provided says right on it that the church won't REALLY remove ex-members names?
OOOPSIE!!
Rationalist
Hail Voltaire
Very interesting. You resort to all sorts of mental gymnastics to defend Islam and its pedophile prophet, but you automatically take the word of an ex-Mormon site as gospel? Very, very telling indeed.
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zappasguitar
Well-known member
It's not just christie...Damo also takes that guy at face value.
Even quoted the guy while trying to disprove my claim.
Rationalist
Hail Voltaire
I could give two shits who quoted him. It's his opinion, not supported by facts.
One of my old missionary friends works in the Church Office Building in SLC. I will ask him about it.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
well now I understand why people were upset that Mormons might be baptizing them.....I mean, one minute you're walking down the street minding your own business, the next....WHAM!.....you're a Mormon for life with no way out......I understand there's a slang term for that too.....a hi-Jacked Mormon.....
Zappa is mistaken, either deliberately or in ignorance, at least according to the ex-Mormons that I know (they have no incentive to lie "for" the religion)...
Your name is added to a list of those who have resigned and according to official Dogma you no longer have access to the best of the afterlife if you resign. While they do continue to keep a list of those who have resigned, they are not "members", they are in fact listed as "resigned" and are actively contacted in the hope they can return them to the "fold"...
This would net you contact, especially so if you officially resign, but you are not "officially" considered a member. You are considered to be resigned from your membership and it says so next to your name...
I have provided you links to many sites that show you how to officially resign, because it is (uniquely in my experience) actually allowed though you will find resistance when you try... they'll try to keep you, but if you do it correctly there is official means to resign even so.
The reality is, Mormonism is actually one of the few religions that have an official means to leave the church, the originating post is simply incorrect. The problem that I have, and what I see as a form of intolerance, when shown to be in error people here seem to seize upon anything to keep the fiction alive. Very few people remain purposefully ignorant when faced with factual information provided to them, those that do are deliberately ignorant and spread what they know to be misinformation. This is a form of intolerance, and indeed is bigotry.
And according to the ex-Mormon sites... You can even get your name removed.
http://www.mormonresignation.com/
Your name is added to a list of those who have resigned and according to official Dogma you no longer have access to the best of the afterlife if you resign. While they do continue to keep a list of those who have resigned, they are not "members", they are in fact listed as "resigned" and are actively contacted in the hope they can return them to the "fold"...
This would net you contact, especially so if you officially resign, but you are not "officially" considered a member. You are considered to be resigned from your membership and it says so next to your name...
I have provided you links to many sites that show you how to officially resign, because it is (uniquely in my experience) actually allowed though you will find resistance when you try... they'll try to keep you, but if you do it correctly there is official means to resign even so.
The reality is, Mormonism is actually one of the few religions that have an official means to leave the church, the originating post is simply incorrect. The problem that I have, and what I see as a form of intolerance, when shown to be in error people here seem to seize upon anything to keep the fiction alive. Very few people remain purposefully ignorant when faced with factual information provided to them, those that do are deliberately ignorant and spread what they know to be misinformation. This is a form of intolerance, and indeed is bigotry.
And according to the ex-Mormon sites... You can even get your name removed.
http://www.mormonresignation.com/
I defend factual information. Including the fact that you can indeed resign, and that there is official means to do so, from the LDS Church.
Your assumption that I am "attacking" Mormonism is really a knee-jerk nonsense reaction based on what you want to feel about me rather than actually reading what I have written here.
That you recognize that people can and are "ex" Mormons only underlines the reality. These people indeed know the means of resigning, they have done so.
I defend the religion as well as the man, I do not attack it. I respect my Mormon friends, a bit more than an angry anonymous guy on the interwebs.
Bigots try to post lies about the religion, I give the truth in defense.
LOL. Well, that means we are all Mormons...
They don't remove the name, they list "resigned" next to it. Actually, it draws more Missionaries to your house as they try to redeem you...
You are not, however, listed as a "Member"... Not after you resign.
It's like you purposefully try to "misunderstand" what I say and argue against what I do not say.
You are on their lists (as I am, due to my friends giving them my name), however if you resign you are not a "Member" on their list, you are "Resigned"...