Dr. King would not have supported Obama or the Democratic Party of today

blackascoal said:
You're a moron .. and a racist.

I'm real sure something like you would know what King wants.
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More than you do race baiter. He would be ashamed at the likes of you and charlatans like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson who have kept your people in bondage in order to further your own personal agendas. Calling me names won't change the truth.

I let you bait me once. It won't happen again.

You are an embarrassment to King and your race.
 
Exactly five years to the day (January 21, 2008) then-candidate Barack Obama said in response to a question at a candidate’s debate in South Carolina about whom Martin Luther King, Jr. would have endorsed if he were still alive, “Well, I don't think Dr. King would endorse any of us.

I think what he would call upon the American people to do is to hold us accountable, … I believe change does not happen from the top down. It happens from the bottom up. Dr. King understood that … mobilizing, agitating, and ultimately forcing elected officials to be accountable, I think that's the key.”
http://www.answercoalition.org/national/news/obama-pic-removes-unemployed-speak-out.html

Obama tells the truth.

Of course, anytime anyone attempts to hold Obama accountable for even his most obvious failures .. the lemmings will jump in to defend him and call everybody a racist.
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
That's certainly understandable. He faced more than just fascist cops and institutionalized racism. J. Edgar Hoover hated him and personally tried to ruin or jail him (he failed) and there were plenty of white racist who wanted him dead for no other reason than he was a trouble making niger (they succeeded in killing him) and King was aware that these institutionalized powers wanted to destroy him and that white racist wanted him dead and he knew that they would try to kill him (which indeed they did) yet he continued on with his activitism in the face of near certain death. Man that takes balls.

To me the most poignant speech King gave was in Memphis during the sanitation workers strike the day before he was assasinated. His "I've been to the mountain top" speech where he foresaw the fruits of the work they were doing succeeding but knowing he wouldn't live to see it because some "sick white brother" would probably kill him. Now tell me, how many people have that kind of courage behind their conviction? I know I don't. I like living too much. So yea....I can see why in the eyes of the people who have enjoyed the fruts of Kings labor would deify him. He had a profound influence on their lives.
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Can someone link to anything that would support the idiotic statement that there is a "movement afoot to elevate MLK to sainthood"???

Anyone?

And what exactly does this sneering at the idea of King being a "saint" imply? Are we supposed to admire him less because he liked to fuck?

From what I hear the FBI got on tape Tom, it was consensual sex...oh wait, maybe that's the problem.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You completely missed Tom's point. Despite his opposition to the Vietnam war King worked quite well with LBJ.

The argument of the OP is a lousy exercise in logic. We have a two party system. Who would King have supported today? The Republicans? Libertarians? Greens? C'mon give me a break.

What makes the argument of the OP just incredibly silly is that it makes the assumption that ones support of a politician is absolute, complete and with out condition and that's just silly.

If King we're alive today I don't think there would be any doubt that he'd support Obama, considering what his alternatives would be. Would he support Obama unconditionaly and absolutely? C'mon....that's a fools argument.
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Far be it from me to interrupt two white dudes shooting the shit and telling it like it is. You guys always do know, and after all I'm just a girl, but, I read...opps! I mean a boyfriend of mine once read to me, a book called "Judgement Days; LBJ, MLK Jr., and the laws that changed America". Now from the parts I understood, it seems that actually King and Johnson had a very bad falling out over King's decision to speak out against the war. Further, MLK was assassinated in early 1968...two months before the Summer of Love would even begin.

In other words; he would have been speaking out a whole lot more. Had he lived.

Why do I sound so facetious in this post? Because it literaly makes me sick that the blowhard Tom, comes on here and presents himself as a fucking expert on everything under the sun. He knows shit from shinola about most things, but can always come up with a link. He's a google expert.

Try reading a fucking book! I don't think you know as much about LBJ as you act like you do here either Mott. I really don't.

Sorry, but neither of you have disproved the OP.

I am not sure I agree with the OP, completely. I think it's difficult to say (though King would NOT have supported drones and these continued bombings, period).

But neither you or Tom have proved or disproved anything.
 
Darla said:
Far be it from me to interrupt two white dudes shooting the shit and telling it like it is. You guys always do know, and after all I'm just a girl, but, I read...opps! I mean a boyfriend of mine once read to me, a book called "Judgement Days; LBJ, MLK Jr., and the laws that changed America". Now from the parts I understood, it seems that actually King and Johnson had a very bad falling out over King's decision to speak out against the war. Further, MLK was assassinated in early 1968...two months before the Summer of Love would even begin.

In other words; he would have been speaking out a whole lot more. Had he lived.

Why do I sound so facetious in this post? Because it literaly makes me sick that the blowhard Tom, comes on here and presents himself as a fucking expert on everything under the sun. He knows shit from shinola about most things, but can always come up with a link. He's a google expert.

Try reading a fucking book! I don't think you know as much about LBJ as you act like you do here either Mott. I really don't.

Sorry, but neither of you have disproved the OP.

I am not sure I agree with the OP, completely. I think it's difficult to say (though King would NOT have supported drones and these continued bombings, period).

But neither you or Tom have proved or disproved anything.
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Exactly.

King wouldn't have been VEHEMENTLY opposed to murdering CHILDREN????
 
Darla said:
Far be it from me to interrupt two white dudes shooting the shit and telling it like it is. You guys always do know, and after all I'm just a girl, but, I read...opps! I mean a boyfriend of mine once read to me, a book called "Judgement Days; LBJ, MLK Jr., and the laws that changed America". Now from the parts I understood, it seems that actually King and Johnson had a very bad falling out over King's decision to speak out against the war. Further, MLK was assassinated in early 1968...two months before the Summer of Love would even begin.

In other words; he would have been speaking out a whole lot more. Had he lived.

Why do I sound so facetious in this post? Because it literaly makes me sick that the blowhard Tom, comes on here and presents himself as a fucking expert on everything under the sun. He knows shit from shinola about most things, but can always come up with a link. He's a google expert.

Try reading a fucking book! I don't think you know as much about LBJ as you act like you do here either Mott. I really don't.

Sorry, but neither of you have disproved the OP.

I am not sure I agree with the OP, completely. I think it's difficult to say (though King would NOT have supported drones and these continued bombings, period).

But neither you or Tom have proved or disproved anything.
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You might find an easier time finding a man if you didn't have such a big chip on your shoulder. You are sooooo insecure
 
blackascoal said:
Fixed it.

This message is hidden because Obama Hates America is on your ignore list.
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you also have the power to ban users from threads you start, for future reference. so if you dont want OHA/ILA posting in your threads, you can pre-emptively ban them from
 
Darla said:
Yes, it's unthinkable that he would have supported any of this stuff. It just would never have happened. It's silly to imagine he wouldn't have spoken out about it, quite loudly.
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They think that because Obama is black that King would not have been critical of his policies .. which is a complete misreading of Dr. King.

King would have been critical of far more than just Obama's love of war.
 
It is "society" which provides man with food, clothing, a home, the tools of work, language, the forms of thought, and most of the content of thought; his life is made possible through the labor and the accomplishments of the many millions past and present who are all hidden behind the small word "society."
-- Albert Einstein: Why Socialism


Catchy quote BAC, until you actually THINK about what it says.....then its mostly bullshit, though man has probably lived in tribal groups for protection
since they walked upright....

The groups certainly weren't created for the reasons of food, clothing, tools, or a home....communication to some degree is a luxury, not necessary to survival,

Man is a social animal to the degree that most animals are that live in groups, nature....mostly for protection and certainly for procreation.....survival of the species being a creation of nature, so as far as 'a society' goes, its a product of nature and instinct.....we are no different than a school of fish ....

Quite a stretch piece of crap to equate these things with socialism as we view that today......it is a common enough trait of man to latch onto an idea or conclusion and then hunt
high and low for evidence to prove their conclusion......as easy for an isolatinist as it is for socialist......with niether one ever being totally right.
Its an ever changing mind set....not math set in stone.
 
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bravo said:
It is "society" which provides man with food, clothing, a home, the tools of work, language, the forms of thought, and most of the content of thought; his life is made possible through the labor and the accomplishments of the many millions past and present who are all hidden behind the small word "society."
-- Albert Einstein: Why Socialism


Catchy quote BAC, until you actually THINK about what it says.....then its mostly bullshit, though man has probably lived in tribal groups for protection
since they walked upright....

The groups certainly weren't created for the reasons of food, clothing, tools, or a home....communication to some degree is a luxury, not necessary to survival,

Man is a social animal to the degree that most animals are that live in groups, nature....mostly for protection and certainly for procreation.....survival of the species being a creation of nature, so as far as 'a society' goes, its a product of nature and instinct.....we are no different than a school of fish ....

Quite a stretch piece of crap to equate these things with socialism as we view that today......it is a common enough trait of man to latch onto an idea or conclusion and then hunt
high and low for evidence to prove their conclusion......as easy for an isolatinist as it is for socialist......with niether one ever being totally right.
Its an ever changing mind set....not math set in stone.
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Your argument is with Einstein brother.
 
i appreciate BAC's comments and some other posters comments, however, i don't believe any of us can truly say what dr. king would say or do today regarding obama or the dem party.
 
Sativa said:
i appreciate BAC's comments and some other posters comments, however, i don't believe any of us can truly say what dr. king would say or do today regarding obama or the dem party.
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I always appreciate your comments my friend .. but what we can say is that King took a principled stand against poverty and war.

The only thing that has changed are democrats, not the principled stand of Dr. King.
 
blackascoal said:
I always appreciate your comments my friend .. but what we can say is that King took a principled stand against poverty and war.

The only thing that has changed are democrats, not the principled stand of Dr. King.
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i agree about MLK. i think the dems, by and large are still against poverty. war, not so much. then again, dems back then were not against war so much either...vietnam was started by a dem. while i believe we can speculate, based on MLK finally coming out against vietnam, that he would be opposed to today's wars and military action, i can't say for sure. you know more about him than i, however, 9/11 changed a lot of people.

i also believe MLK would not have hesitated to criticize obama, he firmly believed in not judging people by the color of their skin. this is something i also share. a cute story aside...i actually wrote about his i have a dream speech for my second grade writing assignment and his speech has resonated with me to this very day.
 
Sativa said:
i agree about MLK. i think the dems, by and large are still against poverty. war, not so much. then again, dems back then were not against war so much either...vietnam was started by a dem. while i believe we can speculate, based on MLK finally coming out against vietnam, that he would be opposed to today's wars and military action, i can't say for sure. you know more about him than i, however, 9/11 changed a lot of people.

i also believe MLK would not have hesitated to criticize obama, he firmly believed in not judging people by the color of their skin. this is something i also share. a cute story aside...i actually wrote about his i have a dream speech for my second grade writing assignment and his speech has resonated with me to this very day.
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We have a lot of agreement on what you've said here good brother.

I hope you got a good grade for your assignment. :0)
 
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