Dysfunctional Society

Here is a good example of our problem as a society...

My nephew is 14-years-old. Since the time he was old enough to speak, he has had some kind of electronic game in his hands, and he literally spends every waking hour, playing or thinking about some video game. He has somehow managed to get through middle school and is now in high school. His older sister and cousins graduated last year, and went on with their chosen career paths, so this has prompted us relatives to query him about his future plans. Of course, he wants to "design video games" but he confides to me, he is not good at math, hates it... and he hates using the keyboard, can't type a lick.

Now, if we are ever invaded by space aliens from another galaxy, and we have developed a joystick-controlled secret death-ray weapon guided via a monitor, I want him at the controls... I want him to be the one shooting them down! He is great at that! But as I tried to explain to my nephew, what he wants to go into, will require him to know and understand math, and be able to efficiently use a keyboard. There is just no way around it, if you want to be a video game designer.

This brings me to our problem. Are my nephew's parents going to push him to bone up on his math? Are they going to make him take the courses to learn keyboard functions and coding formulas required for his chosen field? Nope... they are going to sit on their lazy asses letting him play his games, until he is left behind by those who have a greater motivation to succeed and realize what it takes. As a result, he will most likely never become a video game developer, he will end up working in some trivial low-wage job, or on disability, because he can't function without a video game in his hand.

I am sure this is not an isolated situation, there are many young people out there, who have been spoiled their entire life, and have no clear direction for their future. Teachers and Parents seem to be completely oblivious to this, allowing the "kids to be kids" and not taking a proactive role in developing their future, or helping them to prepare for what they want to do in life. My nephew, if he applied himself and began preparing now, would probably be a phenomenal video game developer. But what he needs is for someone to kick his ass and make him do the hard work now, to prepare him for what he will need to know in the future. No one is willing to do that. Not the schools, not the guidance counselors we're paying for, not his parents.

I believe this is why we currently have an entire generation (or more) of absolute nitwits, who have been spoiled their entire life, who have had no direction or discipline, and who live inside a video game, away from the realities of the rest of the world. Common sense, logic, and reason, don't apply to video games, you can make anything happen to anything. Nothing has to make sense, nothing has to conform to any sense of morals or ethics, and life is but a game. I think since the days of "Dr. Spock", we stopped parenting, and we have been sliding on the slippery slope ever since.
 
Here is a good example of our problem as a society...

My nephew is 14-years-old. Since the time he was old enough to speak, he has had some kind of electronic game in his hands, and he literally spends every waking hour, playing or thinking about some video game. He has somehow managed to get through middle school and is now in high school. His older sister and cousins graduated last year, and went on with their chosen career paths, so this has prompted us relatives to query him about his future plans. Of course, he wants to "design video games" but he confides to me, he is not good at math, hates it... and he hates using the keyboard, can't type a lick.

Now, if we are ever invaded by space aliens from another galaxy, and we have developed a joystick-controlled secret death-ray weapon guided via a monitor, I want him at the controls... I want him to be the one shooting them down! He is great at that! But as I tried to explain to my nephew, what he wants to go into, will require him to know and understand math, and be able to efficiently use a keyboard. There is just no way around it, if you want to be a video game designer.

This brings me to our problem. Are my nephew's parents going to push him to bone up on his math? Are they going to make him take the courses to learn keyboard functions and coding formulas required for his chosen field? Nope... they are going to sit on their lazy asses letting him play his games, until he is left behind by those who have a greater motivation to succeed and realize what it takes. As a result, he will most likely never become a video game developer, he will end up working in some trivial low-wage job, or on disability, because he can't function without a video game in his hand.

I am sure this is not an isolated situation, there are many young people out there, who have been spoiled their entire life, and have no clear direction for their future. Teachers and Parents seem to be completely oblivious to this, allowing the "kids to be kids" and not taking a proactive role in developing their future, or helping them to prepare for what they want to do in life. My nephew, if he applied himself and began preparing now, would probably be a phenomenal video game developer. But what he needs is for someone to kick his ass and make him do the hard work now, to prepare him for what he will need to know in the future. No one is willing to do that. Not the schools, not the guidance counselors we're paying for, not his parents.

I believe this is why we currently have an entire generation (or more) of absolute nitwits, who have been spoiled their entire life, who have had no direction or discipline, and who live inside a video game, away from the realities of the rest of the world. Common sense, logic, and reason, don't apply to video games, you can make anything happen to anything. Nothing has to make sense, nothing has to conform to any sense of morals or ethics, and life is but a game. I think since the days of "Dr. Spock", we stopped parenting, and we have been sliding on the slippery slope ever since.

Quoted for truth!!!!
 
Here is a good example of our problem as a society...

My nephew is 14-years-old. Since the time he was old enough to speak, he has had some kind of electronic game in his hands, and he literally spends every waking hour, playing or thinking about some video game. ......

I am sure this is not an isolated situation, there are many young people out there, who have been spoiled their entire life, and have no clear direction for their future. .....

I believe this is why we currently have an entire generation (or more) of absolute nitwits, who have been spoiled their entire life, who have had no direction or discipline, and who live inside a video game, away from the realities of the rest of the world. ......

calm down. He's 14 years old. Yes, instilling a sense of responsiblity and discipline is good.

But you must be as old as the hills, and not remember being a teenager. I was a B minus student who spent all my time playing sports, chasing girls, and smoking dope. And most of my friends were C students. We hated homework, and rarely brought a book home from school. I had little to no parental supervision.

And yet, most of my dope smoking, C-student friends went to college, did reasonably well, and procured responsible and relativley lucrative careers.

Yeah, kids need to learn discipline. But what's the point of freaking them, or yourself out with visions of failure at that age?
 
Here is a good example of our problem as a society...

My nephew is 14-years-old. Since the time he was old enough to speak, he has had some kind of electronic game in his hands, and he literally spends every waking hour, playing or thinking about some video game. He has somehow managed to get through middle school and is now in high school. His older sister and cousins graduated last year, and went on with their chosen career paths, so this has prompted us relatives to query him about his future plans. Of course, he wants to "design video games" but he confides to me, he is not good at math, hates it... and he hates using the keyboard, can't type a lick.

Now, if we are ever invaded by space aliens from another galaxy, and we have developed a joystick-controlled secret death-ray weapon guided via a monitor, I want him at the controls... I want him to be the one shooting them down! He is great at that! But as I tried to explain to my nephew, what he wants to go into, will require him to know and understand math, and be able to efficiently use a keyboard. There is just no way around it, if you want to be a video game designer.

This brings me to our problem. Are my nephew's parents going to push him to bone up on his math? Are they going to make him take the courses to learn keyboard functions and coding formulas required for his chosen field? Nope... they are going to sit on their lazy asses letting him play his games, until he is left behind by those who have a greater motivation to succeed and realize what it takes. As a result, he will most likely never become a video game developer, he will end up working in some trivial low-wage job, or on disability, because he can't function without a video game in his hand.

I am sure this is not an isolated situation, there are many young people out there, who have been spoiled their entire life, and have no clear direction for their future. Teachers and Parents seem to be completely oblivious to this, allowing the "kids to be kids" and not taking a proactive role in developing their future, or helping them to prepare for what they want to do in life. My nephew, if he applied himself and began preparing now, would probably be a phenomenal video game developer. But what he needs is for someone to kick his ass and make him do the hard work now, to prepare him for what he will need to know in the future. No one is willing to do that. Not the schools, not the guidance counselors we're paying for, not his parents.

I believe this is why we currently have an entire generation (or more) of absolute nitwits, who have been spoiled their entire life, who have had no direction or discipline, and who live inside a video game, away from the realities of the rest of the world. Common sense, logic, and reason, don't apply to video games, you can make anything happen to anything. Nothing has to make sense, nothing has to conform to any sense of morals or ethics, and life is but a game. I think since the days of "Dr. Spock", we stopped parenting, and we have been sliding on the slippery slope ever since.

Americans aren't supposed to succeed. Destroying the education system and parental values was done a while back. Welcome to the new World order. America loses, as our leaders have designed.
 
Giant corporations use technological research, design, and workplace implementation to maximize profits at our expense.

Corporations control the design and use of computers and information technologies, as well as other kinds of mechanization and automation.

They also control the design of work itself, imposing new administrative and computerized control technologies under such names as "workplace re-engineering." Like previous corporate methods, workplace re-engineering is based speeding up production and de-skilling the workforce. However, it poses another danger to our jobs as well.

The corporate control of workplace design destroys jobs. Corporations implement technologies and designs that make it possible to replace full-time workers with temporaries or to offshore jobs to Third World countries.

I propose creation of a labor-based, publicly-funded Technology Department, which will work to ensure that government plays an important role shaping the development and implementation of technology.
 
i think tech and life can exist. before tech, we had cowboys & indians, guns, knives, etc....all were used to facilitate our make believe world as kids

TV/Video games do take more attention, but that doesn't mean they are inherently bad in and of themselves. if the parents can't control the time or their kids lives just because of tv/vid games.....are you suggesting that without that they would be able to control their kids and somehow this control would lead to a perfect productive life?

it is all relative....and so is family life and control thereof......
 
... I was a B minus student who spent all my time playing sports, chasing girls, and smoking dope. And most of my friends were C students. We hated homework, and rarely brought a book home from school. I had little to no parental supervision.

Precisely my fucking point! Thank you!
 
I think it's great that at fourteen he has a dream. I once wanted to be a video game designer, then I wanted to be an Astronaut (two time alum of Space Academy in Huntsville), and then I decided I wanted to get into the movie business. I'm only currently doing one of those things, but I hope the future holds a little opportunity to foray into my other interests. We already have space tourism for the very rich.

Your nephew will develop hopefully with the right mentorship (this isn't always from parents, but the encouragement is important) and find out what he's passionate about. There are many ways to be involved in the video game industry if he continues to want to do that.

While most of my jobs following college have related to the film business or politics, I have done a couple small gigs involving video games, and I was a flunkie in terms of math.

The video game industry is really no different than film, tv or radio in terms of the collaborative and organizational elements it requires. He could be a producer, a localizer/translator, he could be an audio engineer, or he could be an art director and focus his talents on video games in addition to other industries and media. And maybe he will be a designer, but that's for him to decide as he learns more about the possibilities and what his talents are.

You should be happy, Dixie, games are big business, a growing and now widely accepted form of art and entertainment, and will continue to bring more people and families together than probably any politicians ever could. Just encourage him to learn and grow like a good uncle, and be proud for having a nephew who wants to do something he'll love.
 
I think it's great that at fourteen he has a dream. I once wanted to be a video game designer, then I wanted to be an Astronaut (two time alum of Space Academy in Huntsville), and then I decided I wanted to get into the movie business. I'm only currently doing one of those things, but I hope the future holds a little opportunity to foray into my other interests. We already have space tourism for the very rich.

Your nephew will develop hopefully with the right mentorship (this isn't always from parents, but the encouragement is important) and find out what he's passionate about. There are many ways to be involved in the video game industry if he continues to want to do that.

While most of my jobs following college have related to the film business or politics, I have done a couple small gigs involving video games, and I was a flunkie in terms of math.

The video game industry is really no different than film, tv or radio in terms of the collaborative and organizational elements it requires. He could be a producer, a localizer/translator, he could be an audio engineer, or he could be an art director and focus his talents on video games in addition to other industries and media. And maybe he will be a designer, but that's for him to decide as he learns more about the possibilities and what his talents are.

You should be happy, Dixie, games are big business, a growing and now widely accepted form of art and entertainment, and will continue to bring more people and families together than probably any politicians ever could. Just encourage him to learn and grow like a good uncle, and be proud for having a nephew who wants to do something he'll love.


I think you missed his point. Studies have shown that too much electronics with todays kids is actually harmful to their ability to study and sit through things like lectures and absorb information, especially as most of them are using multiple media at the same time, i.e. ipod in ears while surfing the net and texting friends.

The Myth of Multitasking
Submitted by Don Berg
Here's a perspective to consider:

Our brains are not actually capable of "multi-tasking." What we call multitasking is actually rapidly switching from task to task, which has the result of diminishing our ability to think clearly about each task. Since we have a limited perceptual and cognitive bandwidth as human beings and each switch actually demands extra bandwidth, the net result is a loss of quality for each task.

Here's a video that explains it:
 
I think you missed his point. Studies have shown that too much electronics with todays kids is actually harmful to their ability to study and sit through things like lectures and absorb information, especially as most of them are using multiple media at the same time, i.e. ipod in ears while surfing the net and texting friends.

The Myth of Multitasking
Submitted by Don Berg
Here's a perspective to consider:

Our brains are not actually capable of "multi-tasking." What we call multitasking is actually rapidly switching from task to task, which has the result of diminishing our ability to think clearly about each task. Since we have a limited perceptual and cognitive bandwidth as human beings and each switch actually demands extra bandwidth, the net result is a loss of quality for each task.

Here's a video that explains it:
YouTube - Dave Crenshaw & The Myth of Multitasking

I don't really think the worry is valid. Gifted and creative people of all sorts have always been accused of being spaced out on one thing or another. Sure, people who are dependent on conveniences and technology can have mush for brains, but it's likely that precedes their addiction with the gadget whatever that may be.

If the kid is thinking critically about games and really wants to go for it, let him get lost in it. Many of the exceptional people I know grew up like this as teens. Certainly there needs to be educational follow through, but there's a lifetime of experience needed to build on these kinds of dreams.
 
Now, if we are ever invaded by space aliens from another galaxy, and we have developed a joystick-controlled secret death-ray weapon guided via a monitor, I want him at the controls... I want him to be the one shooting them down! He is great at that! But as I tried to explain to my nephew, what he wants to go into, will require him to know and understand math, and be able to efficiently use a keyboard. There is just no way around it, if you want to be a video game designer.

The software engineer on the team needs to be good at math... not the game designer.
 
This brings me to our problem. Are my nephew's parents going to push him to bone up on his math? Are they going to make him take the courses to learn keyboard functions and coding formulas required for his chosen field? Nope... they are going to sit on their lazy asses letting him play his games, until he is left behind by those who have a greater motivation to succeed and realize what it takes. As a result, he will most likely never become a video game developer, he will end up working in some trivial low-wage job, or on disability, because he can't function without a video game in his hand.

LOL, you really have no idea how game design or programming works at all, do you? LOL. Your main job is to make sure no divisions of 1 into three turns up, because that would end the universe...
 
BTW, I seriously, seriously, seriously doubt he's going to still be pursuing that career path by the time he's eighteen.

Maybe, maybe not. I think we always ought to encourage kids if they have an interest. The worst that can happen is they learn and grow with a positive outlook on their lives.
 
I think you missed his point. Studies have shown that too much electronics with todays kids is actually harmful to their ability to study and sit through things like lectures and absorb information, especially as most of them are using multiple media at the same time, i.e. ipod in ears while surfing the net and texting friends.

The Myth of Multitasking
Submitted by Don Berg
Here's a perspective to consider:

Our brains are not actually capable of "multi-tasking." What we call multitasking is actually rapidly switching from task to task, which has the result of diminishing our ability to think clearly about each task. Since we have a limited perceptual and cognitive bandwidth as human beings and each switch actually demands extra bandwidth, the net result is a loss of quality for each task.

Here's a video that explains it:
YouTube - Dave Crenshaw & The Myth of Multitasking

I'm pretty certain that the human brain is actually capable of multi-tasking, although it does result in less efficiency. Computers are the things that aren't capable of true multi-tasking (unless you have multiple CPU's).

When you study, you just study math. You don't need to multi-task. Maybe if his parents would encourage him to study math, he'd be better at it? A big problem with American parents has always been that they put a huge amount of weight on making the A, and never reward their kids for putting in the effort into their studies that results in that A. So kids get nervous, don't study, and their grades slip. Also, they think it's dorky and pointless to study, and they cheat whenever possible (cus, it's not actually learning that matters, just the grade, right?)

I've actually heard of parents who hit their kids when they made bad grades. They never did well in school, despite the conservative belief that if you hit your kids magic happens. This is such a bad route to take I don't even know what to say. It's like the worst parenting possible outside of being an abusive negligent alcoholic.
 
I'm pretty certain that the human brain is actually capable of multi-tasking, although it does result in less efficiency. Computers are the things that aren't capable of true multi-tasking (unless you have multiple CPU's).

When you study, you just study math. You don't need to multi-task. Maybe if his parents would encourage him to study math, he'd be better at it? A big problem with American parents has always been that they put a huge amount of weight on making the A, and never reward their kids for putting in the effort into their studies that results in that A. So kids get nervous, don't study, and their grades slip. Also, they think it's dorky and pointless to study, and they cheat whenever possible (cus, it's not actually learning that matters, just the grade, right?)

I've actually heard of parents who hit their kids when they made bad grades. They never did well in school, despite the conservative belief that if you hit your kids magic happens. This is such a bad route to take I don't even know what to say. It's like the worst parenting possible outside of being an abusive negligent alcoholic.

The point was that the protracted use of multiple media, effects in a negative way, a child's ability to focus and learn well.

That parents have a responsibility to limit a child's use of electronics, was, a point I believe that Dixie's post illustrated.

Hitting children is always wrong. Administering a spanking appropriately can be a positive tool for discipline between the ages of 4 and 7 with most children. Many parents do not understand the concept of approriate use.

Your stupid accusation that conservatives love to hit their kids is proof of your hateful partisanship.
 
I don't really think the worry is valid. Gifted and creative people of all sorts have always been accused of being spaced out on one thing or another. Sure, people who are dependent on conveniences and technology can have mush for brains, but it's likely that precedes their addiction with the gadget whatever that may be.

If the kid is thinking critically about games and really wants to go for it, let him get lost in it. Many of the exceptional people I know grew up like this as teens. Certainly there needs to be educational follow through, but there's a lifetime of experience needed to build on these kinds of dreams.

Teachers see a very negative impact in the classroom with regards to a child's ability to stay focused and learn, I think that's a valid worry.
 
I think it's great that at fourteen he has a dream. I once wanted to be a video game designer, then I wanted to be an Astronaut (two time alum of Space Academy in Huntsville), and then I decided I wanted to get into the movie business. I'm only currently doing one of those things, but I hope the future holds a little opportunity to foray into my other interests. We already have space tourism for the very rich.

Your nephew will develop hopefully with the right mentorship (this isn't always from parents, but the encouragement is important) and find out what he's passionate about. There are many ways to be involved in the video game industry if he continues to want to do that.

While most of my jobs following college have related to the film business or politics, I have done a couple small gigs involving video games, and I was a flunkie in terms of math.

The video game industry is really no different than film, tv or radio in terms of the collaborative and organizational elements it requires. He could be a producer, a localizer/translator, he could be an audio engineer, or he could be an art director and focus his talents on video games in addition to other industries and media. And maybe he will be a designer, but that's for him to decide as he learns more about the possibilities and what his talents are.

You should be happy, Dixie, games are big business, a growing and now widely accepted form of art and entertainment, and will continue to bring more people and families together than probably any politicians ever could. Just encourage him to learn and grow like a good uncle, and be proud for having a nephew who wants to do something he'll love.


Alcohol and porn are big business too, so is crack, maybe he should become an alcholic, porn-addicted crackhead. *shrug*
 
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