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Wow. A cartoon by someone who couldn't hack college. Nice crayon work there.
 
Why do you hate the greatest invention America ever created??????????????????
Public education wasn't an American invention.

Public education has been around in one form or another in at least some nations since well before Christ was born. Even universal, or near universal public education has been around far longer than the US has existed.

Also, as is true in many other nations, US public education has been very uneven and often underwhelming in its results so I can see no reason to call it "...the greatest invention America ever created."
 
Some of the replies in this thread only serve to further illustrate the dire state of "education" in America. You might say they shed some daylight on the deficiency.
 
Not even close to being true. US education is being pulled to the hard Left. As for your last sentence, that is totally delusional.


Why should the working class support unions? Many--not all, but many--unions are heavily politicized, and the leadership is completely out of touch with a big chunk, often a majority, of their members. If the union offers little or nothing of value to a worker, why should a worker join it? That's where many unions today are at. They offer nothing of real value to their members.

I suppose a typical worker's union is fine for someone with little or no ambition, mediocre to average work habits, and who has no interest in getting ahead or bettering themselves.
Be it deliberate or delusional, this is an absurd statement. An individual worker employed at will has absolutely NO leverage with an employer.
Collective bargaining is the only way to prevent worker exploitation, intimidation, and abuse.

This is not a difficult concept, being obvious on its face.
It takes a debilitating level of moral decadence to be opposed to unions.
Political conservatives in America, however, are, virtually without exception, totally devoid of morality,.
They're a cancer on our population.
 
Be it deliberate or delusional, this is an absurd statement. An individual worker employed at will has absolutely NO leverage with an employer.
Collective bargaining is the only way to prevent worker exploitation, intimidation, and abuse.

Sure they do. They can sue for wrongful termination too. As for collective bargaining, why pay for what you don't use? For example, do you want your union making political contributions to politicians you despise? A union can exploit, intimidate, and abuse workers just as easily as an employer.


This is not a difficult concept, being obvious on its face.
It takes a debilitating level of moral decadence to be opposed to unions.
Political conservatives in America, however, are, virtually without exception, totally devoid of morality,.
They're a cancer on our population.

Unions can be harmful and useless to workers. Some aren't, others are. Currently, a bit over 40% of union workers nationwide are Republican. If their union is using their dues to support Democrats, whether YOU like it or not, their union is SCREWING that 40%. They're taking those worker's money and giving it to politicians and causes they don't support.


That's what Beck v. CWA was about, but unions still do it.

Why should someone pay dues to a union that won't help them get promoted? Or, a union that quibbles over bullshit with the employer because they want to be adversarial?

There are good unions and bad ones. There are necessary and unnecessary ones too. If unions are so great and useful they'd have more than 9% of the workforce joining one. That tells me unions, overall, suck bigtime and it's their own fucking fault.

Unions on the whole offer about a 6% better wage that is mostly eaten up in dues the worker pays. Unions can impose rules that prevent workers from advancing to better jobs and getting promotions. They can engage in cronyism and favoritism picking which workers get what from the employer. Unions often protect unproductive and mediocre employees and the other workers see that. That doesn't help their image.
 
I suspect that the labor market is going to shrink considerably in the USA before long.

I doubt unions have the ability to stop it.

The Luddites didn't stop the Industrial Revolution, did they?


 
Sure they do. They can sue for wrongful termination too. As for collective bargaining, why pay for what you don't use? For example, do you want your union making political contributions to politicians you despise? A union can exploit, intimidate, and abuse workers just as easily as an employer.




Unions can be harmful and useless to workers. Some aren't, others are. Currently, a bit over 40% of union workers nationwide are Republican. If their union is using their dues to support Democrats, whether YOU like it or not, their union is SCREWING that 40%. They're taking those worker's money and giving it to politicians and causes they don't support.


That's what Beck v. CWA was about, but unions still do it.

Why should someone pay dues to a union that won't help them get promoted? Or, a union that quibbles over bullshit with the employer because they want to be adversarial?

There are good unions and bad ones. There are necessary and unnecessary ones too. If unions are so great and useful they'd have more than 9% of the workforce joining one. That tells me unions, overall, suck bigtime and it's their own fucking fault.

Unions on the whole offer about a 6% better wage that is mostly eaten up in dues the worker pays. Unions can impose rules that prevent workers from advancing to better jobs and getting promotions. They can engage in cronyism and favoritism picking which workers get what from the employer. Unions often protect unproductive and mediocre employees and the other workers see that. That doesn't help their image.
Republican union members are psychotically in opposition to their own self interests and thus not entitled to be part of the bargaining and endorsing processes. [I've "explained" that to a few.] They're a lot like anti-choice women who are mortal enemies to their own gender.

Unions do help the highest seniority qualified applicant get promoted, and that's the only fair way of doing it.

Unions have no influence on members who choose to leave the union for non-represented jobs within a company.
Represented jobs are legally contracted to the union and non-members have absolutely no right to them.
A contract is a contract.
 
Republican union members are psychotically in opposition to their own self interests and thus not entitled to be part of the bargaining and endorsing processes. [I've "explained" that to a few.] They're a lot like anti-choice women who are mortal enemies to their own gender.

No, they're not. The union isn't there to politic, it's there to collectively bargain with the employer over things like wages and hours. Only a fucking total retard would think a union is about buying politicians.
Unions do help the highest seniority qualified applicant get promoted, and that's the only fair way of doing it.

No, they don't. They frequently go on seniority alone. Competence, and capability to do the job are ignored. And, seniority is NOT the only "fair" way to do promotions.
Unions have no influence on members who choose to leave the union for non-represented jobs within a company.

Then they are self-serving morons. Their whole reason for existing is to help employees, and part of that should be to help them be promoted to higher positions even if those positions are not union jobs. Again, they're not doing employees any favors not helping them get promoted.
Represented jobs are legally contracted to the union and non-members have absolutely no right to them.
A contract is a contract.

And once again, you are arguing that unions are looking out for their own self-interests rather than those of their members. Maybe that's why only 9% of US workers are in a union today, they see what a shit job unions do for them.
 
No, they're not. The union isn't there to politic, it's there to collectively bargain with the employer over things like wages and hours. Only a fucking total retard would think a union is about buying politicians.


No, they don't. They frequently go on seniority alone. Competence, and capability to do the job are ignored. And, seniority is NOT the only "fair" way to do promotions.


Then they are self-serving morons. Their whole reason for existing is to help employees, and part of that should be to help them be promoted to higher positions even if those positions are not union jobs. Again, they're not doing employees any favors not helping them get promoted.


And once again, you are arguing that unions are looking out for their own self-interests rather than those of their members. Maybe that's why only 9% of US workers are in a union today, they see what a shit job unions do for them.
TAG, we share virtually no values on anything and thus cannot expect to agree on much.

One, endorsing and supporting pro labor politicians is an essential obligation of unions.
People who disagree shouldn't be working in union jobs.
They should know for what they signed on.

Two, clearly stated qualification requisites for advancement to higher level represented jobs are a part of every union contract.
The companies, not just the unions, are involved in the negotiation, after all.
It's not the senior applicant. It's the most senior applicant with the requisite qualifications, said qualifications being specifically
outlined in the contract.

Three, the union holds the contracts for represented jobs only. No employee is discouraged from taking an unrepresented management job,
but it's none of the union's business to get involved in such aspirations.

Four, unions are NOT a third party. The represented workers ARE the union, and those who don't support the union are
in an adversarial relationship with their other co-workers.

As I said, our core values have zero overlap and we shouldn't expect to agree.
However, I'm in a much better position to understand unions than you are.

First, I'm the one that was an actual elected union rep and board member.
Second, my business degree dual majors were accounting and INDUSTRIAL LABOR RELATIONS.
 
Republican union members are psychotically in opposition to their own self interests and thus not entitled to be part of the bargaining and endorsing processes. [I've "explained" that to a few.] They're a lot like anti-choice women who are mortal enemies to their own gender. Unions do help the highest seniority qualified applicant get promoted, and that's the only fair way of doing it. Unions have no influence on members who choose to leave the union for non-represented jobs within a company. Represented jobs are legally contracted to the union and non-members have absolutely no right to them. A contract is a contract.


Interesting take, great-grandpa. :thup"
 
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