Education Needs to Be Turned on Its Head

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TheHappyHippo said:
I really don't see a value in memorizing multiplication tables in the day of calculators. At best children are just going to forget it after they get into algebra and are allowed to use calculators.
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Wrong.

they should at least memorize up to 9 x 9, (which everyone knows is 56)
 
leaningright said:
Let me also pose this problem that is often encountered by administrators. Many administrators hire teachers who are not as highly educated or that have fewer years of experience in order to "save" the school district money. Many boards are only interested in the bottom line at the end of the year. Sad but true. Once again, I am for consolidation of the administration of school districts.
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I think that schools should probably run and funded from the state level.

But no one would ever agree with me there. :(
 
TheHappyHippo said:
I really don't see a value in memorizing multiplication tables in the day of calculators. At best children are just going to forget it after they get into algebra and are allowed to use calculators.
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Because what happens if you have to solve a problem and you don't have a calculator handy? Besides, it's important to learn the mutiplication tables because it helps to intuitively perform math. It's not the "Be All" of math but it's important. Just as memorizing the alphabet is important. Why should you memorize that when you have all those books available?
 
leaningright said:
I agree with everything here, especially the bolded part. That is one of my pet peeves. So much of the time the slower ones cause the retardation of the progress of the ones who are on pace or ahead of pace. Makes me mad the way the state says you have to deal with them.
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Well they usually get into advanced classes around the time of high school. I got into advanced classes, though, and that proves the requirements are stringent enough.

We should probably have more advanced classes earlier on. Maybe even several tiers of advanced classes.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
you're not saying anything I don't agree with, but to assume that this is the case should be the false premise.
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To say it would be the case in all cases would certainly be a false premise. Again, I'm not saying that degrees and academic credentials alone should be used exclusively to determine pay scale but they and experience and demonstrated ability should be determining factors.
 
Why our schools suck:

Holding teachers accountable for results would cause the truth to come out:

Some kids are smart, some kids are just dumb as shit.

Since this truth is counter to the lie of collectivism, it will be squashed and we will just keep throwing money into the system to pay teachers to pass everybody regardless.
 
I can do calculus... not long division. But I can sort of do long division of an equation if I look up the algorithm.
 
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And what is wrong with the text books? I honestly used to go through my history books and pick out the things I knew were wrong. Our math books seem to be written in another language, and are completely useless to anyone of normal intelligence without a teacher besides you. It's NOT necessary to use so much jargon and write on such a high level to make a text book. And then they update the charts, and change fonts every few years, and call it the "updated edition", and charge schools for it all over again.

I won't even get into my 10th grade teacher, who would teach us things that were wrong and give us tests that contradicted her own statements.
 
TheHappyHippo said:
Is that honestly how it works?

It could cause problems in scheduling, but I'm sure administrators could work it out. You could drop music, take math... just like in high school.
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This is absolutely not how it works now. You cannot retain a kid (at least in Oklahoma, a pretty conservative state) unless you get the parent's consent. At the Jr. High, High School level, you can fail a kid but if you haven't dotted your I's and crossed your T's the administration can overturn it.

If they do fail at the Jr. High, High School level, they are required to repeat just the class they received a failing grade in. Not in elementary. I think it should be the same or at least similar in both.
 
School 250days a year. Saves parents from summer daycare costs, pays teachers 33%more, and kids learn more. Also gives ability to allow more flex time, special classes, projects, fields of study, list goes on.
 
Chapdog said:
School 250days a year. Saves parents from summer daycare costs, pays teachers 33%more, and kids learn more. Also gives ability to allow more flex time, special classes, projects, fields of study, list goes on.
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WOW your turning into a mean old bastard
 
dude I don't know about you but I'd have fire bombed some old dudes office as a teen if you tried to rob my summer. let kids be kids, they have plenty time to be miserable later.
 
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