The position is totally simple - the elected government, after opposition demonstrations, was overthrown by the army, and hundreds of its supporters killed. You keep paying them money as they murder the people. What so hard to understand?
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The position is totally simple - the elected government, after opposition demonstrations, was overthrown by the army, and hundreds of its supporters killed. You keep paying them money as they murder the people. What so hard to understand?
if you make this simple, it is simple,
the situation is nothing simple.
You are not putting any onus on the EMB - instead looking at this as some kind of electoral issue -it's not, not in the "simple " sense.
It goes to to - the majority of Egyptians whom wouldn't accept the 'democratic tyranny' of Morsi.
The unwillingness of Morsi for an inclusive govt, the quiet aquiensence to allowing radical armed Islamist to operate in the Sinai.
The US is tangential -how about the $12 billion Saudi Arabia is is sending? any comments on that?
Why Saudi Arabia is taking a risk by backing the Egyptian coup
King Abdullah fears the Muslim Brotherhood, which challenges the kingdom's claim to be the protector of Islam
It took almost 60 years for the CIA to own up to its role in the British-backed coup that overthrew Iran's prime minister Mohammed Mossadegh on August 19, 1953. But Saudi Arabia's backing for the recent Egyptian coup, which its head of intelligence, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, had worked so tirelessly to achieve, was instantaneous.
When Adli Mansour, the former head of Egypt's supreme court, was sworn in as interim president, King Abdullah sent him a message praising the Egyptian army for having saved the country from a dark tunnel.
The Saudi monarch followed this up last Friday with a speech whose bluntness was atypical of the man. "Let the entire world know," he proclaimed "that the people and government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia stood and still stand today with our brothers in Egypt against terrorism, extremism and sedition, and against whomever is trying to interfere in Egypt's internal affairs."
This was unusual, not only because Abdullah was aiming his words at his other ally, the United States, and the Gulf state's regional rival Qatar, whom he accused of "fanning the fire of sedition and promoting terrorism, which they claim to be fighting".
It was rare because the monarch, who prefers behind the scenes diplomacy, was so explicit.
The kingdom has backed its words with money, and oil. It has already put together an $12bn (£7.7bn) aid package along with the UAE and Kuwait which is four times as much as the military and economic grants from the US and the EU combined ($1.5bn and $1.3bn respectively).
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/20/saudi-arabia-coup-egypt
Or is this just another chance to point fingers at the US ? - I'm with you on our true American Exceptionalism interventionism.
I don't see that here.
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What do you know about the majority of Egyptians? Majorities are decided at free elections. You are paying for murder, as you are paying for cruddish religiosity in Saudi Arabia. Stick to the obvious: don't pay for murder.
How did Morsi govern? any comments?? Is it OK to just ram thru an Islamic constitution? how about this?
Amended draft of Egyptian constitution to be announced 'very soon'
At the same time they (Islamist groups) must know that they no longer have the authority to tailor the constitution to their needs, especially in the form of articles imposing a kind of medieval and radical Islam on the Egyptian society as stated by Article 219," he added.
Abou Taleb said he expected that "there will be a general consensus that Article 219 must be revoked by the 50-member committee."
Article 219, which was added by the Islamist-dominated constituent assembly in 2012, under the Muslim Brotherhood rule, states that: "The principles of Islamic Sharia include its generally-accepted interpretations, its fundamental and jurisprudential rules and its widely considered sources as stated by the schools of Sunna and Gamaa."
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCon...aft-of-Egyptian-constitution-to-be-annou.aspx
full article
U.S. Egyptians to rally against Muslim Brotherhood at White House, WaPo, CNN, and Hamas-linked CAIR office
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/08/u...use-wapo-cnn-and-hamas-linked-cair-offic.html
Egyptians living in the United States have called for a protest in front of the White House on Thursday in Washington DC against the Muslim Brotherhood and in support of the Egyptian army.
A statement by the protest's planners said the demonstration is planned to "expose Muslim Brotherhood terrorism and its collaborators around the world".
The US has condemned a recent crackdown against the Brotherhood following the dispersal by security forces of two Brotherhood-led protest camps which saw hundreds of supporters of deposed Islamist president Mohamd [sic] Morsi killed and thousands injured.
The statement added that the protests will also "expose the clear bias of the Obama administration and the American media in support of the Muslim Brotherhood and its terrorist ideology."
Following the dispersal of the two sit-ins in Egypt's Cairo and Giza governorates, Morsi supporters – some of them armed with automatic weapons – attacked police stations, government buildings and churches countrywide.
The attacks were followed by accusations by the Egyptian government that the Brotherhood was leading a terrorist plot against the state and attempting to terrorize its citizens.
The Brotherhood has denied having resorted to any violence, meanwhile insisting on describing the military's intervention to remove Morsi as a result of mass protests against him as a "bloody coup" and has called on the international community to stand against the current interim government in Egypt.
The anti-Brotherhood protest is planned to gather at the White House and then move to The Washington Post offices, CNN, then to the headquarters of Islamic Council on American–Islamic Relations, which the group accused of being the Brotherhood's "embassy" in Washington.
The rally's final destination is planned to be the Egyptian military attaché’s office in Washington where they intend to "praise the Egyptian army for its heroic stand against MB terrorism".
The protest organizers said they will provide buses to carry demonstrators from various Coptic churches in New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maryland, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, South Carolina and North Carolina. They said the demonstrators will include "both Muslims and Copts."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/08/u...use-wapo-cnn-and-hamas-linked-cair-offic.html
Egyptians living in the United States have called for a protest in front of the White House on Thursday in Washington DC against the Muslim Brotherhood and in support of the Egyptian army.
A statement by the protest's planners said the demonstration is planned to "expose Muslim Brotherhood terrorism and its collaborators around the world".
The US has condemned a recent crackdown against the Brotherhood following the dispersal by security forces of two Brotherhood-led protest camps which saw hundreds of supporters of deposed Islamist president Mohamd [sic] Morsi killed and thousands injured.
The statement added that the protests will also "expose the clear bias of the Obama administration and the American media in support of the Muslim Brotherhood and its terrorist ideology."
Following the dispersal of the two sit-ins in Egypt's Cairo and Giza governorates, Morsi supporters – some of them armed with automatic weapons – attacked police stations, government buildings and churches countrywide.
The attacks were followed by accusations by the Egyptian government that the Brotherhood was leading a terrorist plot against the state and attempting to terrorize its citizens.
The Brotherhood has denied having resorted to any violence, meanwhile insisting on describing the military's intervention to remove Morsi as a result of mass protests against him as a "bloody coup" and has called on the international community to stand against the current interim government in Egypt.
The anti-Brotherhood protest is planned to gather at the White House and then move to The Washington Post offices, CNN, then to the headquarters of Islamic Council on American–Islamic Relations, which the group accused of being the Brotherhood's "embassy" in Washington.
The rally's final destination is planned to be the Egyptian military attaché’s office in Washington where they intend to "praise the Egyptian army for its heroic stand against MB terrorism".
The protest organizers said they will provide buses to carry demonstrators from various Coptic churches in New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maryland, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, South Carolina and North Carolina. They said the demonstrators will include "both Muslims and Copts."
Morsi governed in such a way as to be answerable to the electorate. Constitutions voted on by the electorate are legal until voted out, as you know. Stop pretending you are anything but a supporter of military government subsidised by the US.
The Muslim Brotherhood’s War on Coptic Christians
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...m-brotherhood-s-war-on-coptic-christians.html
The group that “renounced violence” in an effort to gain political power is engaged in a full-scale campaign of terror against Egypt’s Christian minority.
Brotherhood leaders have incited their followers to attack Christian homes, shops, schools and churches throughout the country.
Samuel Tadros, an Egyptian scholar with the Hudson Institute, told me these attacks are the worst violence against the Coptic Church since the 14th century
The news coming out of Egypt is staggering. USA Today reports that “forty churches have been looted and torched, while 23 others have been attacked and heavily damaged” in one week. According to the Coptic Orthodox and Catholic churches in Egypt, 160 Christian-owned buildings have also been attacked.
In one town, Islamists paraded three nuns on the streets like prisoners of war after burning their Franciscan school. The attackers tore a cross off the gate of the school and replaced it with an Islamist flag.
The New York Times described hundreds of Islamists in one attack, “lashing out so ferociously that marble altars were left in broken heaps on the floor.”
Two security guards working on a tour boat owned by Christians were burned alive. An orphanage was burned down.
The Catholic Bishop of Luxor told the Vatican news agency Tuesday that he has been trapped in his home for 20 days by Islamist mobs chanting “Death to the Christians.” “People who reside in the villages of the area that have nothing because food supplies are running out and people are afraid to leave the house,” he said.
For the first time in 1,600 years, prayers were not held in the Virgin Mary and Priest Ibram Monastery, which includes three churches, one of which is an archaeological site.
According to the local priest, they were destroyed by supporters of former Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi. On one village street, Islamists painted a red X on Muslim stores and a black X on Christian stores, so attackers knew where to focus their rage.
On Tuesday, there were reports that the Brotherhood declared Friday prayers to be held in an evangelical church in the town of Minya that it has converted to a mosque.
The wave of attacks followed clashes between the military and Morsi supporters that left more than 800 dead. But what did the Christians have to do with that? Nothing.
The leader of the military, like nearly every top government official in Egypt, is a devout Muslim. Yet, in the town of Al Nazla, a local mosque broadcast through its loudspeakers the lie that it was Christians who were attacking the protesters.
Hundreds of villagers stormed the local church shouting “Allahu akbar” and “Islam is the solution,” according to local residents.
The Facebook page of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party is rife with false accusations meant to foment hatred against Copts, including the absurd claim that Church has declared “war against Islam and Muslims.”
A Brotherhood spokesman dismissed the wave of attacks as being perpetrated by “foolish boys” and alleged a conspiracy against his organization.
But the Facebook page of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party is rife with false accusations meant to foment hatred against Copts, including the absurd claim that Church has declared “war against Islam and Muslims” and justified the attacks by saying: “After all this people ask why they burn the churches.” Then came a threat: “For every action there is a reaction.”
The Muslim Brotherhood has been inciting violence against the Copts in an effort to scapegoat the religious minority for the ouster of former President Mohammed Morsi
The FJP Facebook page is filled with the rhetoric the Brotherhood leaders have been using in their speeches at the sit-ins:
The Pope of the Church is involved in the removal of the first elected Islamist president. The Pope of the Church alleges Islamic Sharia is backwards, stubborn, and reactionary.”
It’s true Pope Tawadros and most Coptic Christians supported Morsi’s removal. But they were a fraction of the larger coalition against him.
After all, Christians make up just 10 percent of the population in a country where millions of people turned out to call for the removal of the Egyptian president. In raw numbers, far more Muslims opposed Morsi than Christians.
Of the leaders who stood with al-Sisi as he announced the ouster of Morsi, the Pope was joined by the Grand Imam of Al Azhar Ahmed el-Tayeb, a respected Sunni cleric.
Even before the mass church burnings, 16 Egyptian human rights organizations put out a statement saying they “strongly condemn rhetoric employed by leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood and their allies which includes clear incitement to violence and religious hatred in order to achieve political gains…”
On August 15th, nine Egyptian human rights groups released a statement saying, “In December … Brotherhood leaders began fomenting anti-Christian sectarian incitement.
The anti-Coptic incitement and threats continued unabated up to the demonstrations of June 30 and, with the removal of President Morsi … morphed into sectarian violence, which was sanctioned by … the continued anti-Coptic rhetoric heard from the group’s leaders on the stage … throughout the sit-in.”
The Obama administration has been disengaged, first saying they were “concerned” on August 14, when a State Department spokesperson was asked about the ongoing attacks.
The next day President Obama lumped the ongoing terrorizing of Christians in Egypt into a broader statement, saying, “We call on those who are protesting to do so peacefully and condemn the attacks that we’ve seen by protesters, including on churches.”
In response to a question at Monday’s State Department press briefing, spokesperson Jen Psaki said, “We deplore in the strongest terms the reprehensible attacks…”
Middle-East expert and Woodrow Wilson Center scholar Aaron David Miller told me in an interview, “The attacks on the churches is a problem that is not getting enough attention. The United States got on this far too late, in terms of condemning violence against the churches.”
Coptic Christians in Tennessee demonstrated this week, chanting, “Obama, Obama don’t you care? Christian blood is everywhere.”
They shouted “eid wahda,” the Egyptian phrase that means “one hand” and has become the post-Morsi mantra.
It conveys the widely held sentiment there that Egyptians, both Christians and Muslims, are united with the army against the Muslim Brotherhood.
This is not a Muslim versus Christian conflict, as much as the Muslim Brotherhood would like the world to think it is. A priest at one of the churches that was looted and burned told Al Jazeera that most of his Muslim neighbors are peaceful. “Out of 50,000, you will find maybe 1,000 that are like [the attackers],” he said. The problem is the Muslim Brotherhood, full stop. When will the Obama administration realize it
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...m-brotherhood-s-war-on-coptic-christians.html
The group that “renounced violence” in an effort to gain political power is engaged in a full-scale campaign of terror against Egypt’s Christian minority.
Brotherhood leaders have incited their followers to attack Christian homes, shops, schools and churches throughout the country.
Samuel Tadros, an Egyptian scholar with the Hudson Institute, told me these attacks are the worst violence against the Coptic Church since the 14th century
The news coming out of Egypt is staggering. USA Today reports that “forty churches have been looted and torched, while 23 others have been attacked and heavily damaged” in one week. According to the Coptic Orthodox and Catholic churches in Egypt, 160 Christian-owned buildings have also been attacked.
In one town, Islamists paraded three nuns on the streets like prisoners of war after burning their Franciscan school. The attackers tore a cross off the gate of the school and replaced it with an Islamist flag.
The New York Times described hundreds of Islamists in one attack, “lashing out so ferociously that marble altars were left in broken heaps on the floor.”
Two security guards working on a tour boat owned by Christians were burned alive. An orphanage was burned down.
The Catholic Bishop of Luxor told the Vatican news agency Tuesday that he has been trapped in his home for 20 days by Islamist mobs chanting “Death to the Christians.” “People who reside in the villages of the area that have nothing because food supplies are running out and people are afraid to leave the house,” he said.
For the first time in 1,600 years, prayers were not held in the Virgin Mary and Priest Ibram Monastery, which includes three churches, one of which is an archaeological site.
According to the local priest, they were destroyed by supporters of former Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi. On one village street, Islamists painted a red X on Muslim stores and a black X on Christian stores, so attackers knew where to focus their rage.
On Tuesday, there were reports that the Brotherhood declared Friday prayers to be held in an evangelical church in the town of Minya that it has converted to a mosque.
The wave of attacks followed clashes between the military and Morsi supporters that left more than 800 dead. But what did the Christians have to do with that? Nothing.
The leader of the military, like nearly every top government official in Egypt, is a devout Muslim. Yet, in the town of Al Nazla, a local mosque broadcast through its loudspeakers the lie that it was Christians who were attacking the protesters.
Hundreds of villagers stormed the local church shouting “Allahu akbar” and “Islam is the solution,” according to local residents.
The Facebook page of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party is rife with false accusations meant to foment hatred against Copts, including the absurd claim that Church has declared “war against Islam and Muslims.”
A Brotherhood spokesman dismissed the wave of attacks as being perpetrated by “foolish boys” and alleged a conspiracy against his organization.
But the Facebook page of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party is rife with false accusations meant to foment hatred against Copts, including the absurd claim that Church has declared “war against Islam and Muslims” and justified the attacks by saying: “After all this people ask why they burn the churches.” Then came a threat: “For every action there is a reaction.”
The Muslim Brotherhood has been inciting violence against the Copts in an effort to scapegoat the religious minority for the ouster of former President Mohammed Morsi
The FJP Facebook page is filled with the rhetoric the Brotherhood leaders have been using in their speeches at the sit-ins:
The Pope of the Church is involved in the removal of the first elected Islamist president. The Pope of the Church alleges Islamic Sharia is backwards, stubborn, and reactionary.”
It’s true Pope Tawadros and most Coptic Christians supported Morsi’s removal. But they were a fraction of the larger coalition against him.
After all, Christians make up just 10 percent of the population in a country where millions of people turned out to call for the removal of the Egyptian president. In raw numbers, far more Muslims opposed Morsi than Christians.
Of the leaders who stood with al-Sisi as he announced the ouster of Morsi, the Pope was joined by the Grand Imam of Al Azhar Ahmed el-Tayeb, a respected Sunni cleric.
Even before the mass church burnings, 16 Egyptian human rights organizations put out a statement saying they “strongly condemn rhetoric employed by leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood and their allies which includes clear incitement to violence and religious hatred in order to achieve political gains…”
On August 15th, nine Egyptian human rights groups released a statement saying, “In December … Brotherhood leaders began fomenting anti-Christian sectarian incitement.
The anti-Coptic incitement and threats continued unabated up to the demonstrations of June 30 and, with the removal of President Morsi … morphed into sectarian violence, which was sanctioned by … the continued anti-Coptic rhetoric heard from the group’s leaders on the stage … throughout the sit-in.”
The Obama administration has been disengaged, first saying they were “concerned” on August 14, when a State Department spokesperson was asked about the ongoing attacks.
The next day President Obama lumped the ongoing terrorizing of Christians in Egypt into a broader statement, saying, “We call on those who are protesting to do so peacefully and condemn the attacks that we’ve seen by protesters, including on churches.”
In response to a question at Monday’s State Department press briefing, spokesperson Jen Psaki said, “We deplore in the strongest terms the reprehensible attacks…”
Middle-East expert and Woodrow Wilson Center scholar Aaron David Miller told me in an interview, “The attacks on the churches is a problem that is not getting enough attention. The United States got on this far too late, in terms of condemning violence against the churches.”
Coptic Christians in Tennessee demonstrated this week, chanting, “Obama, Obama don’t you care? Christian blood is everywhere.”
They shouted “eid wahda,” the Egyptian phrase that means “one hand” and has become the post-Morsi mantra.
It conveys the widely held sentiment there that Egyptians, both Christians and Muslims, are united with the army against the Muslim Brotherhood.
This is not a Muslim versus Christian conflict, as much as the Muslim Brotherhood would like the world to think it is. A priest at one of the churches that was looted and burned told Al Jazeera that most of his Muslim neighbors are peaceful. “Out of 50,000, you will find maybe 1,000 that are like [the attackers],” he said. The problem is the Muslim Brotherhood, full stop. When will the Obama administration realize it
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Gamal Abdel Nasser staged a coup against King Farouk in 1956 and ruled as "President" until 1970 when Anwar Sadat took over after Nasser's death. Neither Nasser or Sadat nor Mubarak for that matter were elected and were all continuations of the 1956 coup. After the peace accord, we financed Egypt. Who says we don't support leaders who take power by coup? Pinochet ring a bell?
I'd say the "electorate" has spoken,
not just during the election -but in the aftermath of Morsi's slide into Sharia.
Take it up with :
something you choose to ignore in your narrow definitions of "answerable to the electorate"
appreciate that, e have laws that a coupe' cannot get US aid. what the reference was to
Pinochet also was supported with US aid. Not too happy about that one - but on the whole Eqyptian aid is now not that important, as
Saudi's and Qatar can out match us.
What I really want is the US to stay out of condemnations -of the MB/of the military/ - saying we "regret the violence" is about as far as I'd go.
We really don't have a role there but to just let it play out.
Electorates VOTE. Stop drivelling.
do I have to spell things out for you? Apparently so..this was a revolution over the rein of Morsy by the majority of the Egyptian people, facilitated by the military.
A popularist coup as it were.
Which nulls the election/the constitution/ the presidency -hence my use of the word "electorate" in the broader sense - since we don't use the word
revolution, in the narrow sense of the military's overthrowing of the duly elected gov't.
Now. If you wish to claim a victory on the narrowness of the fact the duly elected gov't was overthrown by a junta, which established an interim gov't have at it.
Because you are otherwise a crashing bore with a singleness of purpose - sticking to the election of Morsi as a be all.
I have tried to flesh out the idea that even though Morsi won the election he lost the moral authority to govern.
But you won't argue this - instead wrapping everything upon the fact "Mosi was elected"
Well ya. He was indeed, and he lost his ability to govern by popular support -the Tahrir Square crowd wanted none of it.
The military is the stable institution in Egypt -like it or not - as constitutions, and governments come and go.
It is silly, and blind to hold up western ideal of a "demcratic elected gov't" as the SOLE ARBITOR , as to whether Egypt is better off without Morsi.
I'm not a fan of revolution, or coups' I PREFER a democracy, but not wedded to it, when it fails the people at large.
This is up to Egypt, the revolution/coup hasn't been without huge costs, no-one is saying that.
The idea is NOT to have deposed Morsi comes with it's own set of costs.
Now tell me why Egypt was better off under Morsi....
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Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan claims Ankara has proof Israel was behind the July 3 military "coup" that toppled Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi, Turkish media report.
Erdogan said the West was beginning to redefine democracy as a process that is not solely determined at the ballot box, although the poll represents “the people’s will.”
“This is what has been implemented in Egypt. Who is behind this? Israel. We have evidence,” Erdogan said, as quoted by the Hurriyet daily, during a meeting with provincial chairs of his ruling Justice and Development
Erdogan spoke of a meeting between Turkey’s justice minister and a “Jewish” intellectual in France before Egypt’s 2011 elections.
“The Muslim Brotherhood will not be in power even if they win the elections. Because democracy is not the ballot box’: This is what [the intellectual] said at that time,” the PM continued.
Erdogan did not clarify what connection the unidentified intellectual had to the Israeli government or how his alleged opinion proved Israel played any part in the recent ouster of Morsi.
http://rt.com/news/israel-egypt-coup-erdogan-722/
Erdogan said the West was beginning to redefine democracy as a process that is not solely determined at the ballot box, although the poll represents “the people’s will.”
“This is what has been implemented in Egypt. Who is behind this? Israel. We have evidence,” Erdogan said, as quoted by the Hurriyet daily, during a meeting with provincial chairs of his ruling Justice and Development
Erdogan spoke of a meeting between Turkey’s justice minister and a “Jewish” intellectual in France before Egypt’s 2011 elections.
“The Muslim Brotherhood will not be in power even if they win the elections. Because democracy is not the ballot box’: This is what [the intellectual] said at that time,” the PM continued.
Erdogan did not clarify what connection the unidentified intellectual had to the Israeli government or how his alleged opinion proved Israel played any part in the recent ouster of Morsi.
http://rt.com/news/israel-egypt-coup-erdogan-722/
His comments will add to Israeli authorities’ anxiety about appearing to favour the new regime in Egypt, given the volatility of the situation there and the prevalence of anti-Israel sentiment in the country, as elsewhere in the region. Since the coup Israel and Egypt have stepped up their co-operation on military issues to fight a surge of unrest in the Sinai peninsula, where jihadists killed 25 police recruits on Monday and fired a rocket at the Israeli city of Eilat, on the Gulf of Aqaba, last week.
“This is a statement well worth not commenting on,” an Israeli official said, declining to respond to Mr Erdogan’s remarks.
The Turkish prime minister has used increasingly tough rhetoric – denouncing the west and various alleged conspiracies – in the wake of mass Turkish protests in June and the coup in Egypt last month.
One of Mr Erdogan’s senior ministers has also suggested that the “Jewish diaspora” was behind the protests in Turkey, although he later said he was quoted out of context.
The prime minister’s latest allegations come less than a year after an AKP rally fêted Mohamed Morsi, the ousted Egyptian president, just a few months after Barack Obama, US president, brokered a deal to patch up Turkish-Israeli relations.
Turkey’s Islamist-rooted AKP government had been particularly close to Mr Morsi, announcing $2bn in loans to Egypt while the Muslim Brotherhood was in office.
In recent days, Mr Erdogan has publicly given a salute in solidarity with the anti-coup protests. Bekir Bozdag, one of his deputy prime ministers, has also criticised “monarchic administrations” – a likely reference to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates – for opposing “democracy, human rights and the people’s will” in Egypt.
The Turkish prime minister’s remarks also reflect the cooling of diplomatic relations between Turkey and Israel, which had seemed set towards a historic reconciliation when, at Mr Obama’s prompting, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu apologised in March for the fatal storming in 2010 of a Turkish flotilla off the Gaza Strip.
In contrast with Turkey, Israeli officials have privately welcomed the change of regime in Egypt because it weakens the Muslim Brotherhood and its ally in the Gaza Strip, Hamas. However, they have maintained an official silence around the events. Mr Netanyahu’s office was embarrassed this week by remarks published in the New York Times and the Jerusalem Post, attributed to an unnamed Israeli official who claimed that the country would press its diplomatic partners to support the new regime.
Egyptian media on Monday reported that an unnamed Israeli official met in Cairo with high-ranking officials. They said the official discussed, among other things, security co-ordination between the two countries against the backdrop of the deteriorating situation in Sinai. Israel’s 1979 peace treaty with Egypt, under which the two countries consult and share some intelligence on military matters, is seen as a cornerstone of stability in the Middle East.
Israel’s talks with Turkey on compensation for the families of the victims of the MV Mavi Marmara incident off Gaza have bogged down because of acrimony over what amends Israel needs to make. The two countries have not yet agreed to restore full diplomatic ties severed after the incident, when nine Turkish activists were killed
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e6a72cfa-09a7-11e3-ad07-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2cjjaihRd
“This is a statement well worth not commenting on,” an Israeli official said, declining to respond to Mr Erdogan’s remarks.
The Turkish prime minister has used increasingly tough rhetoric – denouncing the west and various alleged conspiracies – in the wake of mass Turkish protests in June and the coup in Egypt last month.
One of Mr Erdogan’s senior ministers has also suggested that the “Jewish diaspora” was behind the protests in Turkey, although he later said he was quoted out of context.
The prime minister’s latest allegations come less than a year after an AKP rally fêted Mohamed Morsi, the ousted Egyptian president, just a few months after Barack Obama, US president, brokered a deal to patch up Turkish-Israeli relations.
Turkey’s Islamist-rooted AKP government had been particularly close to Mr Morsi, announcing $2bn in loans to Egypt while the Muslim Brotherhood was in office.
In recent days, Mr Erdogan has publicly given a salute in solidarity with the anti-coup protests. Bekir Bozdag, one of his deputy prime ministers, has also criticised “monarchic administrations” – a likely reference to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates – for opposing “democracy, human rights and the people’s will” in Egypt.
The Turkish prime minister’s remarks also reflect the cooling of diplomatic relations between Turkey and Israel, which had seemed set towards a historic reconciliation when, at Mr Obama’s prompting, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu apologised in March for the fatal storming in 2010 of a Turkish flotilla off the Gaza Strip.
In contrast with Turkey, Israeli officials have privately welcomed the change of regime in Egypt because it weakens the Muslim Brotherhood and its ally in the Gaza Strip, Hamas. However, they have maintained an official silence around the events. Mr Netanyahu’s office was embarrassed this week by remarks published in the New York Times and the Jerusalem Post, attributed to an unnamed Israeli official who claimed that the country would press its diplomatic partners to support the new regime.
Egyptian media on Monday reported that an unnamed Israeli official met in Cairo with high-ranking officials. They said the official discussed, among other things, security co-ordination between the two countries against the backdrop of the deteriorating situation in Sinai. Israel’s 1979 peace treaty with Egypt, under which the two countries consult and share some intelligence on military matters, is seen as a cornerstone of stability in the Middle East.
Israel’s talks with Turkey on compensation for the families of the victims of the MV Mavi Marmara incident off Gaza have bogged down because of acrimony over what amends Israel needs to make. The two countries have not yet agreed to restore full diplomatic ties severed after the incident, when nine Turkish activists were killed
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e6a72cfa-09a7-11e3-ad07-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2cjjaihRd
Elected goverments are overthrown at elections. Military coups overthrow elected governments and murder anyone who opposes them. What government. for God's sake, do you think has 'the moral authority to govern' in the sense you mean? Not the UK one, certainly - but we wait for elections. You either support democracy or dictatorship, as you know. Talk sense!
plenty of murderous actions going on there.
Again you speak solely of parlimentarianism - falling back on the election, as if that ws the be all in Egypt.
It wasn't - being elected, and governing in Egypt is not the same as the US or the UK ( in your ex.)
It is not "democracy or dictaorship", as the majority of the people whom saw the Morsi rule wanted him out.
Not after his term - out now! The country was sinking badly, should they just letDSharia become law, and the country stagnate?
For sake of "democracy?"
If you watch current reports (which i admit could be biased) the fact the MB is out of power is a relief to most Egyptians.
The MB was a FAILURE at governing - there is this idea , even Jefferson wrote it:
I am weary of plowing over the same ground, I leave you to your sacred elections.
Thank you for the discussion
And you were doing so well...
As it should be. Using the anti-Semitic RT with suspect made up sources to stir shit isn't worth commenting on. And the Financial Times article is almost just as bad.
I find formal democracy pretty feeble, but I prefer it to dictatorship based on someone's unproven assertions. You prefer military dictatorship. So we disagree.
gee Howey, I'm heartbroken - yes. I was on a roll until this then?
"the statement wasn't worth commenting on" -do you get that was Erdogan's implying Israel was behind the coup?
It surely is not worth ccommenting on -agreed?
I use multiple sources throughout - I think I know enough to use a source to bolster my p.o.v -
not impeaching the source beforehand.
But I do appreciate the advice, sincerely
Sure fine. Whatever. I'm good with this, no point beating a dead horse. since it's an "and / or" thing with you.
I won't even ask what "unproven assertions are" It's "counterproductive" as they say. Let the readers make of it what they will.
Nice talking to you.