Elections Have Consequences?

Rana said:
Well, considering who she was speaking to, he should have given her that respect and she should not have had to ask for it! but we have had this discussion before!
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It's always been my understanding, as a Marine, that 'maam' has always been a term of respect. did that change in the last 20 years?
 
Watermarx said:
North Carolina and other southern states are court ordered to draw certain minority-majority districts. You can't eliminate the only black district in NC without adding another one.

BTW, drawing minority majority districts is actually gerrymandering for Republicans. The US house is gerrymandered to favor Republicans. The way gerrymandering works is to pack in the voters that you don't want into one district and spread your voters out among several districts. Anyone who's not a retard knows this.

Ungerrymandered:

Overall votes: 49% R, 51% D
Overall seats: 0 R, 3 D

District 1: 49% R 51% D
District 2: 49% R, 51% D
District 3: 49% R, 51% D

In reality you'd probably want to draw one more conservative district to be fair, but I made the votes even just to be simple.

Gerrymandered:

Overall votes: 49% R, 51% D
Overall seats: 2 R, 1 D

District 1: 5% R, 95% D
District 2: 71% R, 29% D
District 3: 71% R, 29% D



If you pack a bunch of black people into one district and it goes 99% Democratic each time, that's a bunch of wasted votes that could be electing Democrats with smaller majorities elsewhere.
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Actually, in NC prior to the 2008 election the Courts ordered the Democrat controlled legislature to re-draw District 12 to abide by the State Constitution. The legislature used every legal tactic at their means to delay and delay, and the courts finally gave up after several versions as not to delay the primary election. The existing district is an improvement over the earlier one that was literally the width of I-85 for several miles to link the urban areas of Winston-Salem, Greensboro and Charlotte.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
It's always been my understanding, as a Marine, that 'maam' has always been a term of respect. did that change in the last 20 years?
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I find it makes me sound old! he he

It is, but as Senator, if she prefers, Senator to Ma'am, then she has won the title, let her have it and her correction was to also make a point with him.
 
Rana said:
I find it makes me sound old! he he

It is, but as Senator, if she prefers, Senator to Ma'am, then she has won the title, let her have it and her correction was to also make a point with him.
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and if she'd simply asked for the general to call her senator instead of maam, there'd be no harm, no foul. she became a bitch about it when she added 'i've worked hard for that title'. She did it simply because she wanted to badger a fine outstanding officer who wasn't giving her the answers she wanted.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
and if she'd simply asked for the general to call her senator instead of maam, there'd be no harm, no foul. she became a bitch about it when she added 'i've worked hard for that title'. She did it simply because she wanted to badger a fine outstanding officer who wasn't giving her the answers she wanted.
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Yeah, damn aggressive woman...how dare she.
 
bravo said:
If you had this discussion before, why are still ignorant of military required and accepted protocol, and etiquette?
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She's a senator, not a member of the military.

Senators similarly are addressed in writing as "The Honorable [full name]" and orally as "Senator Smith." On the actual floor of the houses during debate, members commonly refer to one another as the gentleman/gentlewoman "from such-and-such a state" - "As my friend, the distinguished gentleman from Ohio, just said..." or "I yield three minutes to the gentleman from New York, Mr. Smith". In debate, senators sometimes refer to colleagues as the junior or senior senator from a state, as in "I disagree with my dear friend, the junior senator from Ohio...". Senators also commonly use "my friend from X" and "the distinguished senator from X".
 
christiefan915 said:
She's a senator, not a member of the military.

Senators similarly are addressed in writing as "The Honorable [full name]" and orally as "Senator Smith." On the actual floor of the houses during debate, members commonly refer to one another as the gentleman/gentlewoman "from such-and-such a state" - "As my friend, the distinguished gentleman from Ohio, just said..." or "I yield three minutes to the gentleman from New York, Mr. Smith". In debate, senators sometimes refer to colleagues as the junior or senior senator from a state, as in "I disagree with my dear friend, the junior senator from Ohio...". Senators also commonly use "my friend from X" and "the distinguished senator from X".
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The military is under the civilian control, therefore all elected representatives are above them in rank. Per military protocol, when addressing a superior rank, it's customary to address them as 'sir' or 'maam' unless otherwise directed/asked to.
 
christiefan915 said:
She's a senator, not a member of the military.

Senators similarly are addressed in writing as "The Honorable [full name]" and orally as "Senator Smith." On the actual floor of the houses during debate, members commonly refer to one another as the gentleman/gentlewoman "from such-and-such a state" - "As my friend, the distinguished gentleman from Ohio, just said..." or "I yield three minutes to the gentleman from New York, Mr. Smith". In debate, senators sometimes refer to colleagues as the junior or senior senator from a state, as in "I disagree with my dear friend, the junior senator from Ohio...". Senators also commonly use "my friend from X" and "the distinguished senator from X".
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What a joke...WTF is all this suppose to mean..???
Are you saying he should have refered to her as "the gentlewoman from California".....how about "the lovely and distinguished, asshole, and senior Senator, from the pathetic land of fruits and nuts, Mrs. Boxer".....
How does that grab you?...Its certainly accurate.....

Ma'am is STANDARD and accepted protocol, and etiquette for ALL military members to use in addressing their female superiors...
And only a complete pinhead asshole would object to it....
which is EXACTLY what happened....


 
bravo said:
What a joke...WTF is all this suppose to mean..???
Are you saying he should have refered to her as "the gentlewoman from California".....how about "the lovely and distinguished, asshole, and senior Senator, from the pathetic land of fruits and nuts, Mrs. Boxer".....
How does that grab you?...Its certainly accurate.....

Ma'am is STANDARD and accepted protocol, and etiquette for ALL military members to use in addressing their female superiors...
And only a complete pinhead asshole would object to it....
which is EXACTLY what happened....
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He wasn't at a military hearing, he was appearing before the Senate, right, and she just instructed him on how to address her and he was fine with it and so was the Pentagon! They had a pleasant exchange and it was good, he wasn't damaged forever by the exchange, but apparently some of you guys are! Its okay, there are going to be a lot more aggressive women in politics, get use to it!
 
Rana said:
He wasn't at a military hearing, he was appearing before the Senate, right, and she just instructed him on how to address her and he was fine with it and so was the Pentagon! They had a pleasant exchange and it was good, he wasn't damaged forever by the exchange, but apparently some of you guys are! Its okay, there are going to be a lot more aggressive women in politics, get use to it!
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It was simply an example of her arrogance. Did she ever refer to him as something other than General?
 
Rana said:
What did you want her to call him, sugar?
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I was just wondering if she applied the same standard to herself. He worked hard for that title and deserved to be called by it. In fact, military protocol required it of me when I saluted somebody of his rank.

Basically I was wondering if she was a hypocrite as well as arrogant.

Arrogance isn't a crime, and sometimes it is even deserved.
 
Rana said:
He wasn't at a military hearing, he was appearing before the Senate, right, and she just instructed him on how to address her and he was fine with it and so was the Pentagon! They had a pleasant exchange and it was good, he wasn't damaged forever by the exchange, but apparently some of you guys are! Its okay, there are going to be a lot more aggressive women in politics, get use to it!
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it wasn't pleasant by any means, and as a disciplined military officer, he covered for her faux pas nicely. that doesn't mean she wasn't in the wrong.
 
Rana said:
She wasn't in the wrong, how ridiculous.
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She was in the wrong.....The General was treating her with utmost respect according to military etiquette and she was to stupid to recognize it....you didn't hear a male Senator object to being called Sir, did you?

If she wanted to be addressed by some other title, she could have sent the General a private message to that affect and it would have been done, avoiding the spectacle she manufactured....
It only made her the laughing stock of most Americans....except for you pinheads.

But do keep on....I'm enjoying it....
 
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