Electric cars head toward another dead end

why do you wish to see this industry fail?


do you hate this country?

Sorta jumpin the shark there sweetie. I am just stating facts. I have a problem with the gobblement trying to pick winners and losers. An I don't care what industry it is.

I prefer the power of diesel
 
Sorta jumpin the shark there sweetie. I am just stating facts. I have a problem with the gobblement trying to pick winners and losers. An I don't care what industry it is.

I prefer the power of diesel

It's shame that external combustion engines never caught on, they are far more efficient and cleaner than internal combustion. Here is a Schoell Cycle engine developed by an American company.

cyclone_engine.jpg


http://cyclonepower.com/works.html
 
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Not a chance. Without the subsidies the electric car would be dead. Also that electricity has to come from somewhere.

And how is the battery to replace? What about disposal.

People just aren't that interested.

There are many calculations that I could refer you to but the site I referenced above tells the story much better than I could possibly do. In summary, going from full dead to full charge and driving the commensurate mileage equals the same as paying about $.50 (50 cents) a gallon for gasoline. Right now the cars are a bit pricey but they are also considered strictly luxury automobiles as to their fit and finish and as time goes on the price of manufacture will be considerably less than that of any comparable petro burner.

BTW, I am not rich by any stretch. But, I wanted one of those cars and I bought it. It's just payments at this point and at 1.6% they're not too bad. So far I think it's the best decision I've ever made.
 
There are many calculations that I could refer you to but the site I referenced above tells the story much better than I could possibly do. In summary, going from full dead to full charge and driving the commensurate mileage equals the same as paying about $.50 (50 cents) a gallon for gasoline. Right now the cars are a bit pricey but they are also considered strictly luxury automobiles as to their fit and finish and as time goes on the price of manufacture will be considerably less than that of any comparable petro burner.

BTW, I am not rich by any stretch. But, I wanted one of those cars and I bought it. It's just payments at this point and at 1.6% they're not too bad. So far I think it's the best decision I've ever made.

I don't care about your personal decision to own one. If it makes you happy fine. I just don't want to subsidize it. Take away the massive subsidies and I could give two shits about electric cars.

Of course without the massive subsidies they wouldn't be viable.
 
Not a chance. Without the subsidies the electric car would be dead. Also that electricity has to come from somewhere.

And how is the battery to replace? What about disposal.

People just aren't that interested.

Take away the oil subsidies (including the U.S military) and let's compare.
 
I don't care about your personal decision to own one. If it makes you happy fine. I just don't want to subsidize it. Take away the massive subsidies and I could give two shits about electric cars.

Of course without the massive subsidies they wouldn't be viable.

Take away the massive oil subsidies and your Expedition would cost $2.50 per mile to drive, hypocrite.
 
It's shame that external combustion engines never caught on, they are far more efficient and cleaner than internal combustion. Here is a Schoell Cycle engine developed by a British company.

cyclone_engine.jpg


http://cyclonepower.com/works.html

That is AWESOME Tom!
Quick question though, in this country most steam engines require operation only by a licensed Mechanical Engineer.
Have they devised a workaround for this?
 
I don't have an expedition. What tax credits are available for a combustion engine? I would love to know

Are you really this stupid? Yes, you have the Chevy version of an expedition and you did indeed enjoy a tax credit when you bought it, via Bush II ( a credit meant for medium duty service vehicles erroneously applied to SUVs over 6000 #s gross vehicle weight).

Regardless, that is not the subsidy I am referring to.

If you didn't realize oil is highly subsidized in the US, I suggest some research.

Google is your friend.
 
Are you really this stupid? Yes, you have the Chevy version of an expedition and you did indeed enjoy a tax credit when you bought it, via Bush II ( a credit meant for medium duty service vehicles erroneously applied to SUVs over 6000 #s gross vehicle weight).

Regardless, that is not the subsidy I am referring to.

If you didn't realize oil is highly subsidized in the US, I suggest some research.

Google is your friend.

Yeah I didn't qualify for any subsidy.

List those oil subsidies please
 
Yeah I didn't qualify for any subsidy.

List those oil subsidies please

Yes you did, you were too ignorant to take advantage of it,
and no, I will not do research for you to confirm basic knowledge that even school children are well aware of, idiot.
 
American oil companies are the most governmentally subsidized in the history of world. It's claimed to be due to a thing called national security, if I'm not mistaken. I could go on a 600 page rant about the trillions of taxpayers dollars and the hundreds of thousands of lives spent on the American oil thirst and subsequent security considerations.
 
That is AWESOME Tom!
Quick question though, in this country most steam engines require operation only by a licensed Mechanical Engineer.
Have they devised a workaround for this?

I don't know the answer to that one but it is a very elegant design. I can see why governments wouldn't like it though as it will run on practically any liquid fuel, so where do they get their taxes? It doesn't even need oil for lubrication. You can always contact them.

Cyclone Power Technologies, Inc.
601 NE 26th Court
Pompano Beach, FL 33064
T: 954-943-8721
F: 954-788-6565
E: info@cyclonepower.com
 
I don't know the answer to that one but it is a very elegant design. I can see why governments wouldn't like it though as it will run on practically any liquid fuel, so where do they get their taxes? It doesn't even need oil for lubrication. You can always contact them.

Cyclone Power Technologies, Inc.
601 NE 26th Court
Pompano Beach, FL 33064
T: 954-943-8721
F: 954-788-6565
E: info@cyclonepower.com

It looks good in the drawing. That's about it. Have you ever been around machines like that? As we talked about before in the Gas Turbine conversations, these apparatus are high maintenance, unreliable and overall cost prohibitive, no matter the type of fuel required or the power delivered.
 
I'm old enough to remember (and it's not that old) when most people thought pc's would never have any pracitical personal use.

Same was said of cars, flight, TV, etc.

We've been shown repeatedly throughout history that technological development is exponential. It won't be long before alternative energy sources and things like electric cars are commonplace - more convenient & less expensive than their fossil-fuel counterparts.
 
It looks good in the drawing. That's about it. Have you ever been around machines like that? As we talked about before in the Gas Turbine conversations, these apparatus are high maintenance, unreliable and overall cost prohibitive, no matter the type of fuel required or the power delivered.

Rolls Royce will be supplying the MT30, which is the world's most powerful gas turbine, for the new Royal Navy aircraft carriers. They produce 36 megawatts (around 50,000 horsepower) and there will be two of them in each carrier. Are you going to tell me that they are high maintenance, unreliable and overall cost prohibitive?


  • The MT30 gas turbine is derived from the Rolls-Royce Trent 800 aero engine which powers the Boeing 777 aircraft, with around 80 per cent of the parts being the same.
  • The MT30 currently powers the US Navy’s Freedom Class variant of the Littoral Combat Ship, will power their new DDG-1000 destroyers and was recently selected for the Republic of Korea Navy’s new FFXII frigate.
  • Modular production of the MT30 begins on the same production line as the Rolls-Royce Trent aero engines in Derby, before the modules are assembled into the marine configuration, and put through a rigorous test and certification programme at the Rolls-Royce facility in Bristol.
  • The power generated will meet the aircraft carrier’s demand for energy, which includes the propulsion motors, weapons and navigation systems as well as the entire low voltage requirements for lighting and power sockets.
  • The four GTA packages (two per ship) are assembled by Cullums Detuners of Derbyshire. Due to the size, the alternator and gas turbine enclosure are shipped to Rosyth separately.
http://www.rolls-royce.com/news/press_releases/2013/240113_aircraft_carrier.jsp
 
Rolls Royce will be supplying the MT30, which is the world's most powerful gas turbine, for the new Royal Navy aircraft carriers. They produce 36 megawatts (around 50,000 horsepower) and there will be two of them in each carrier. Are you going to tell me that they are high maintenance, unreliable and overall cost prohibitive?


  • The MT30 gas turbine is derived from the Rolls-Royce Trent 800 aero engine which powers the Boeing 777 aircraft, with around 80 per cent of the parts being the same.
  • The MT30 currently powers the US Navy’s Freedom Class variant of the Littoral Combat Ship, will power their new DDG-1000 destroyers and was recently selected for the Republic of Korea Navy’s new FFXII frigate.
  • Modular production of the MT30 begins on the same production line as the Rolls-Royce Trent aero engines in Derby, before the modules are assembled into the marine configuration, and put through a rigorous test and certification programme at the Rolls-Royce facility in Bristol.
  • The power generated will meet the aircraft carrier’s demand for energy, which includes the propulsion motors, weapons and navigation systems as well as the entire low voltage requirements for lighting and power sockets.
  • The four GTA packages (two per ship) are assembled by Cullums Detuners of Derbyshire. Due to the size, the alternator and gas turbine enclosure are shipped to Rosyth separately.
http://www.rolls-royce.com/news/press_releases/2013/240113_aircraft_carrier.jsp

You miss the entire gist of my comments. Aircraft carrier usage? That sounds reasonable to me. Do you know why they have 2 on each ship? Because 1 or the other is always down for maintenance of some kind. Do you know how many boatsmen will be trained and assigned the duties of the upkeep of these units? I don't either but I do know it will be considerable, even with several officers assigned to oversee the power generation and upkeep of the units. I would estimate the size of the crews to be at least 20 or more with others trained to assist in major inspection/outage situations.

In the smaller scale or in the context of this ELECTRIC CAR conversation this device is for any practical purpose, useless. It reminds me of the neck basket, you know, the one that some idiot designed for just a few items at the grocery store with both hands free? He got a lot of money off a few very ignorant investors. Then POOF.
 
In addition, have you ever even seen a stationary gas turbine such as one that might be found on an aircraft carrier? Or a jet aircraft engine? Other than principles of operation there is NO COMPARISON WHATSOEVER. Somewhere along the way you have been severely misled in the gas or combustion turbine information department.
 
In addition, have you ever even seen a stationary gas turbine such as one that might be found on an aircraft carrier? Or a jet aircraft engine? Other than principles of operation there is NO COMPARISON WHATSOEVER. Somewhere along the way you have been severely misled in the gas or combustion turbine information department.

The MT30 gas turbine is derived from the Rolls-Royce Trent 800 aero engine which powers the Boeing 777 aircraft, with around 80 per cent of the parts being the same.
 
The MT30 gas turbine is derived from the Rolls-Royce Trent 800 aero engine which powers the Boeing 777 aircraft, with around 80 per cent of the parts being the same.

That would defy all engineering logic and structure considerations. You just have to have something better than that.
 
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