Elton John is right, marijuana legalization was a ‘great mistake’

[Hume]

Hume is one fucked up individual. Truly repulsive person with zero social skills and even less self-control. I actually kind of worry about them IRL. They seem really, really nasty as a person.

Yet you stalk me

 

[Daylight63]

....and?

^^^^^^NEEDS ATTENTION! STAT! CALLING ALL PEOPLE: PLEASE LOOK AT HUME! HUME NEEDS ATTENTION NOW.^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Daylight63]

Yet you stalk me

No one is stalking you, you fucked up piece of human shit.

 

[Hume]

^^^^^^NEEDS ATTENTION! STAT! CALLING ALL PEOPLE: PLEASE LOOK AT HUME! HUME NEEDS ATTENTION NOW.^^^^^^^^^^

Irony noted. You need therapy, seriously.

 

[Hume]

No one is stalking you, you fucked up piece of human shit.

Please don't commit suicide over the holidays

 

[Daylight63]

Please don't commit suicide over the holidays

Actually I am relatively close to doing that. Thank you for thinking of me.

If I actually DO the deed will you be happy?

Answer carefully!

 

[Diogenes]

Hume is one fucked up individual. Truly repulsive person with zero social skills and even less self-control. I actually kind of worry about them IRL. They seem really, really nasty as a person.

How sweet.

 

[Daylight63]

How sweet.

 

[Hume]

Actually I am relatively close to doing that. Thank you for thinking of me.

If I actually DO the deed will you be happy?

Answer carefully!

Thanks for being candid. Call a help line.

 

[Daylight63]

Thanks for being candid. Call a help line.

You can always hope!

 

[Hume]

You can always hope!

I never think about you. It is sad you need me.

 

[Diogenes]

duihhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh picture duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I am curious where you got that. Because this study

National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine; Health and Medicine Division; Board on Population Health and Public Health Practice; Committee on the Health Effects of Marijuana: An Evidence Review and Research Agenda.
Washington (DC): National Academies Press (US); 2017 Jan 12.

Found the following:

"More conclusive findings and less extensive methodological limitations in the literature on lung, testicular, and head and neck cancers allowed the committee to conclude that there is moderate evidence that there is no statistically significant association between cannabis use and the incidence of lung or head and neck cancer, and limited evidence that there is a statistically significant association between current, frequent, or chronic cannabis use and the incidence of non-seminoma-type testicular germ cell tumors. "

So I'm really curious what studies you are relying on.


I'm not saying that smoking pot doesn't run the risk like smoking tobacco, just that you seem to be making it sound like it is so much more carcinogenic and I'm not seeing the data to support that point.

CANNABIS USE AND RISK OF LUNG CANCER: A CASE-CONTROL STUDY - PMC

To determine the risk of lung cancer associated with cannabis smoking. A case-control study of lung cancer in adults ≤55 years of age was conducted in eight district health boards in New Zealand. Cases were identified from the New Zealand Cancer ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

'Epidemic' of cannabis use tied to Maori cancer rate - NZ Herald

Latest breaking news articles, photos, video, blogs, reviews, analysis, opinion and reader comment from New Zealand and around the World - NZ Herald

www.nzherald.co.nz

The Maori indigenous people of New Zealand are the world's heaviest cannabis users. They have also have the highest rate of lung cancer and severe issues with bipolar and schizophrenia disease well above other groups. They've been studied for years and the conclusions I cited are correct. Marijuana causes cancer and is more cancerous both in content and in the way it is used...

A digression: That's part of why it is so carcinogenic, it is smoked unfiltered and usually closer to the butt of the joint than with tobacco. That means the smoker inhales more of the cancer-causing agents in the combustion products

LITERALLY NO ONE SAID OTHERWISE. But alcohol still holds the championship for automobile fatalities.

Only because it is in far wider use than marijuana.

But if you want to keep pot illegal you MUST BY DEFINITION also demand alcohol be made illegal since it is EASILY far more dangerous and PROVEN TO BE SO.

Not true. I can state pot should be illegal while allowing alcohol. We as a society can choose which vices we allow and reject. In Muslim countries alcohol is illegal but tobacco is basically unregulated. You can smoke in a restaurant or public place unrestricted. Some nations allow alcohol with wormwood (absinthe) a narcotic in the liquor. Others, including the US make that illegal.

What you are doing is making a definist fallacy, a form of begging the question. You are assuming that if one is illegal the other must be made illegal because of specific conditions you defined while ignoring any others.

For example, prohibition was tried in the US. It was a catastrophic failure. Making alcohol illegal today would simply result in a repeat of that catastrophe. On the other hand, no such major social issue arose with the criminalization of marijuana. Its use is much more limited and there are no major advocates that would push against it such as with alcohol where there is an extensive manufacturing industry in place meaning tens of thousands would lose their jobs as a result of making it illegal.

 

[Daylight63]

I never think about you. It is sad you need me.

Hume, literally no one on earth "needs" you and your special brand of toxicity. You are about the worst person I've met on JPP and there are a LOT of really nasty people on here. It is kind of all nasty.

But trust me when I say I despise you at my core now. You have proven to be one of the most evil people I've ever met online. I truly hope you are not this vile in real life but you are SO unrelentingly puke-inducing vile that it really makes me think you have to be this fucked up in real life.

Why don't you go and reconsider what it is you are or what it is you THINK you are.

Please hear me out: You are despised because you are despicable. ALL YOU DO IS SPREAD HATE.

 

[Hume]

Hume, literally no one on earth "needs" you and your special brand of toxicity. You are about the worst person I've met on JPP and there are a LOT of really nasty people on here. It is kind of all nasty.

But trust me when I say I despise you at my core now. You have proven to be one of the most evil people I've ever met online. I truly hope you are not this vile in real life but you are SO unrelentingly puke-inducing vile that it really makes me think you have to be this fucked up in real life.

Why don't you go and reconsider what it is you are or what it is you THINK you are.

Please hear me out: You are despised because you are despicable. ALL YOU DO IS SPREAD HATE.

You clearly have severe emotional problems.

 

[Daylight63]

CANNABIS USE AND RISK OF LUNG CANCER: A CASE-CONTROL STUDY - PMC

To determine the risk of lung cancer associated with cannabis smoking. A case-control study of lung cancer in adults ≤55 years of age was conducted in eight district health boards in New Zealand. Cases were identified from the New Zealand Cancer ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So you are going with an OLDER study? OK. How do you think it lines up with the data in the more recent study?

But, yeah, let's go with it being carcinogenic if you like. If that's sufficient to outlaw something then definitely cigs should be outlawed. But I bet dollars to donuts you have a "justification" for why that shouldn't happen.

Not true. I can state pot should be illegal while allowing alcohol.

Yes, by "special pleading".

We as a society can choose which vices we allow and reject.

And this point is WHOLLY ARBITRARY. As such you CANNOT rely on "reason" to say Pot should be illegal. You don't use reason when you say alcohol should be legal.

If reason and logic and facts are to be relied on then both should be illegal.

I prefer laws predicated on logic and facts. You prefer "tradition" and arbitrariness.

What you are doing is making a definist fallacy, a form of begging the question. You are assuming that if one is illegal the other must be made illegal because of specific conditions you defined while ignoring any others.

I'm saying that if you want to present FACTS as to why Pot should be illegal you will find that every one of those facts will also make a VERY STRONG CASE for alcohol being made illegal

The key here is: YOU DO NOT REQUIRE LAWS TO BE BASED ON FACT OR REASON.

For example, prohibition was tried in the US.

Yes I know. And it didn't work. Tell me, Sherlock, did prohibition of pot make it disappear?

It was a catastrophic failure. Making alcohol illegal today would simply result in a repeat of that catastrophe. On the other hand, no such major social issue arose with the criminalization of marijuana.

Which is why no one ever smoked pot after it was made illegal ever again. Laws work!

Its use is much more limited and there are no major advocates that would push against it such as with alcohol where there is an extensive manufacturing industry in place meaning tens of thousands would lose their jobs as a result of making it illegal.

Just more special pleading from you. You like your beer, but you don't like pot. So you think your agressive deadly poison is OK but those of us who occasionally unwind in a recliner with a gummy should be thrown in prison.

Is pot not killing ENOUGH Americans for you? If pot killed more Americans would you be OK with it being as available as alcohol?

 

[Daylight63]

You clearly have severe emotional problems.

Hume, I'm begging you: go away. No one cares for your non-stop toxic bullshit. Really it would be OK if it was just occasionally but it's literally 99% of what you post on here.

Even on threads you start if someone addresses your point you immediately start insulting them.

You are the most TOXIC person I've ever met online. What is wrong with you?

 

[Hume]

Hume, I'm begging you: go away. No one cares for your non-stop toxic bullshit. Really it would be OK if it was just occasionally but it's literally 99% of what you post on here.

Even on threads you start if someone addresses your point you immediately start insulting them.

You are the most TOXIC person I've ever met online. What is wrong with you?

You have severe mental problems

 

[RB 60]

Goddamn you are dumb! I never said Ivermectin was evil! God damn. I wouldn't take an agressive antipsychotic medication if I had a headache. My point was related to misapplication of a drug.

God you morons almost seem like you can't read more than one or two words in a post.

How fucking STUPID are you?????

Settle down! Don't get your panties in a wad and there's no need to cuss. I think we (I did) get your point.
There are worse and more addicting drugs than weed. I have a prescription for 30 mg. Oxycodine. They're like chugging a six-pack.
I very rarely take them.

Yes we can read. Be kind.

I'm not stupid...

 

[Litmus]

Marijuana, weight for weight, is three times more carcinogenic than tobacco. Used regularly over a prolonged period, it gives someone a nearly 20% greater chance of developing a bipolar / schizophrenic disorder. Used shortly before or while driving is or can be just as dangerous as drinking and driving.

Both alcohol and marijuana have their issues, and I see both as equally bad in their own way. Just because alcohol is far more widely used is no reason to ignore marijuana's issues.

Bullshit on all this.

Weed undoes brainwashing.