English law blocks Scottish independence

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Any Scot worth his porridge will tell you that England did not 'conquer' Scotland. (To be precise, England conquered Scotland briefly in the 1650s under Cromwell, then it left again.)

Scotland joined the Union voluntarily in 1707. It retained some features of a sovereign state, including its own legal system. English law did not replace Scottish law.

So why is the UK Supreme Court ruling on whether Scotland can hold a referendum without Westminster's consent? Because Scotland is in the United Kingdom. Which it joined voluntarily.

Sheesh.


P.S. Look up what happened to Catalonia when its leaders called an independence referendum without the consent of Madrid.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29478415
I would take a sizeable bet that in the worst case scenario Ms Sturgeon & Co will not be charged with treason.

 

[Dachshund]

So the country that wants independence from the English is prevented from gaining it by the judicial system of the English which is loaded by an independence-blocking law written by the English in the first place.

Seems like a case for armed revolt.

The English should do whatever they need to do to free themselves of the Scots. They are a race of pigs and deserve to be cut off. An independent Scotland would resemble a European California after about 6 months, and no one would be surprised. Besides, the native , White English can't stand them, and quite rightly (!), - because they're a pack of loud, ignorant, rude, bumptious, and generally obnoxious savages.



Dachshund - the Wonder Hound


DLM...Dachshund Lives Matter !

 

[moon]

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Attention-seeking dimwit.

 

[moon]

' .... a cabal of corrupt Scots noblemen sold out their countrymen, lured by £20,000 in English bribes. The decision by the Scots parliament on January 16 1707 to support the merger of parliaments was a profound act of treachery, say romantic nationalists, captured perfectly in Robert Burns' lines about the "parcel of rogues" being "bought and sold for English gold".

Haw, haw................................haw.


Can anybody imagine signing into a ' union ' wherein one's desired exit could be vetoed by the other party ?



Haw, haw, haw, haw, haw...............................haw, haw...............................haw, haw, haw...............................haw.

 

[Into the Night]

How did it work for the slave states in America? The court and then the army stopped them.

No court or army stopped them. They seceded.

 

[Into the Night]

' Secession ' isn't quite the right term as Scotland was a free nation , as old as the English, before being conquered and subjected to English law in the guise of ' unity '.

It is the right term.

 

[Into the Night]

They would lose the Barnett Formula money, have to pay up for their share of the deficit, be forced to join the Euro and be subject to EU fiscal and monetary policy. That's of course if the EU accepts them, I highly doubt that will happen as all countries need to agree.

Why would Scotland have to join the EU??

 

[Into the Night]

Still, that would be their problem, maggot. You English imperialists better look to your own country. Most of the world wants you punished.

You don't get to speak for the world. You are not God. You only get to speak for you.

 

[Into the Night]

Any Scot worth his porridge will tell you that England did not 'conquer' Scotland. (To be precise, England conquered Scotland briefly in the 1650s under Cromwell, then it left again.)

Scotland joined the Union voluntarily in 1707. It retained some features of a sovereign state, including its own legal system. English law did not replace Scottish law.

So why is the UK Supreme Court ruling on whether Scotland can hold a referendum without Westminster's consent? Because Scotland is in the United Kingdom. Which it joined voluntarily.

Sheesh.


P.S. Look up what happened to Catalonia when its leaders called an independence referendum without the consent of Madrid.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29478415
I would take a sizeable bet that in the worst case scenario Ms Sturgeon & Co will not be charged with treason.

It can also secede voluntarily. No court can stop that.

 

[moon]

Into the Night Soil

It is the right term

You're just too dumb to think otherwise.

 

[moon]

Into the Night Soil

You don't get to speak for the world. You are not God. You only get to speak for you

The world speaks loudly for itself- Brits, fuck off- and pay us what you owe us.

But you're too dumb to think otherwise.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Why would Scotland have to join the EU??

It's SNP policy to leave the UK and then join the EU.

 

[Into the Night]

Into the Night Soil



The world speaks loudly for itself- Brits, fuck off- and pay us what you owe us.

But you're too dumb to think otherwise.

You don't get to speak for the world. You are not God. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy. Insult fallacy. No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

It's SNP policy to leave the UK and then join the EU.

No, it isn't. They simply want independence. This is not about joining the EU.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

No, it isn't. They simply want independence. This is not about joining the EU.

Nicola Sturgeon's dreams of an independent Scotland joining the EU while adopting its own currency are lying in tatters.

Brussels has insisted the SNP leader commits to joining the Euro before a potentially-independent Scotland's position as an EU member state is considered.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeons-eu-dream-tatters-28339601


SNP policy is for an independent Scotland to join the EU and have its own currency. The EU has made clear this would be unacceptable.

There is no Plan B.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Nicola Sturgeon's dreams of an independent Scotland joining the EU while adopting its own currency are lying in tatters.

Brussels has insisted the SNP leader commits to joining the Euro before a potentially-independent Scotland's position as an EU member state is considered.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeons-eu-dream-tatters-28339601


SNP policy is for an independent Scotland to join the EU and have its own currency. The EU has made clear this would be unacceptable.

There is no Plan B.

Scotland has no economic path the independence, which was always obvious.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I am not a big fan of the "Let's Pretend!" game as the Modern Morons are.

 

[Hawkeye10]

"If you can dream it then you can do it" became "If you believe hard enough then you will do it!".








I mean Fuck Me!

 

[cancel2 2022]

No, it isn't. They simply want independence. This is not about joining the EU.

Yeh bullshit, you're talking out of your arse. They know full well they couldn't survive without joining the EU

The U.K. Has Officially Left the European Union. But Could Scotland End Up Back in It?

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Although Britain officially left the European Union on Jan. 31, not everyone in the U.K. has given up on E.U. membership. The Scottish National Party (SNP), which wants Scotland to secede from the rest of the U.K. and then rejoin the E.U.,


British foreign secretary Dominic Raab condemned Tusk, who left his role in November, for encouraging “separatist tendencies” across Europe. But the Scottish independence movement hardly needs encouragement. Brexit—backed by only 38% of Scottish voters—has heightened tensions between Edinburgh and London, with SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon arguing Scots are being “dragged” out of the bloc against their will. She has demanded a referendum on Scottish independence in 2020.

Ever since 1707, when Scotland joined England and Wales to form Great Britain, Scottish nationalists have wanted to break the union. But pro-independence voices have grown more powerful since the 1999 opening of the Scottish parliament following a referendum on devolving some governing powers to Scotland. SNP lawmakers quickly came to dominate that legislature. Popular leftist policies and competence were arguably more key to the SNP’s rise than support for independence, which hovered below a third until 2014. That year, the U.K. government allowed a referendum to take place, hoping to put the issue to bed. It had the opposite effect. Although the pro-independence camp lost, it still won an unexpectedly high 45% of the vote, reinvigorating the cause.

Brexit appears to have increased support even more, with three recent polls putting it at 50% or higher. It’s also made the E.U. more sympathetic to Scottish independence, says James Mitchell, a politics professor at Edinburgh University and author of The Scottish Question. There’s been a “substantial change in the rhetoric” since 2014, he says, when senior European politicians backed the union, insisting Scotland would have a difficult path back into the E.U. – partly to avoid enflaming separatist tensions in regions like Catalonia in Spain. Though Scotland would still face a lengthy process and possible obstacles to rejoining, Mitchell says “the advantages of Scottish membership would far outweigh any disadvantages” for the E.U. “Brexit was a bit of a slap in the face for Europe, so Scotland rejoining could be a symbolic boon.

Britain’s departure from the E.U. may have made the case for Scottish independence stronger. But it’s also made it practically more difficult. An independent Scotland would now border a non-E.U. country, likely requiring infrastructure and border checks between regions whose communities are deeply intertwined—similar to the problem of the Irish border that severely complicated Brexit talks.

https://time.com/5778350/will-scotland-rejoin-eu/

 

[moon]

Any Scot worth his porridge will tell you that England did not 'conquer' Scotland. (To be precise, England conquered Scotland briefly in the 1650s under Cromwell, then it left again.)

Occupation and annexation are not dependent upon military victory. The ' parcel of rogues' that sold Scotland to the English can be compared to Krushev, a Ukrainian, signing over Crimea to Ukraine.