Jake Starkey
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Talk about Toby being a bitter, hate filled Magtard drone calling the kettle black.
Evangelical Leader Says Trump’s Rob Reiner Post Represents ‘The Shame of our Generation’
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Trump has a remarkable ability to bury the hatchet with his former political enemies he will sit down and talk with anyone. He is a counter puncher if you hit him he will hit you back harder if he can. While that may not always be pretty it is effective in politics. This is a case where it didn't work for Trump. I'm sure you have read Trump's post but have you taken the time to read the dozens of Rob Reiner's social media posts on Trump? Maybe TOP will post them on this thread for you. A Centrist like you "
" should see both sides before rendering their opinion.BartenderElite
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Trump has a remarkable ability to bury the hatchet with his former political enemies he will sit down and talk with anyone. He is a counter puncher if you hit him he will hit you back harder if he can. While that may not always be pretty it is effective in politics. This is a case where it didn't work for Trump. I'm sure you have read Trump's post but have you taken the time to read the dozens of Rob Reiner's social media posts on Trump? Maybe TOP will post them on this thread for you. A Centrist like you "
You realize that's a false equivalency, right?
Trump insults & criticizes people all the time. Reiner criticized Trump often. Both, fine.
But not immediately when a man is brutally murdered.
You understand that distinction, I assume?
You understand I said it was a screw up and that talking bad about the dead was a bad thing right? But that didn't stop the left from lining up to take a shot at Charlie Kirk did it? I'm curious did you call them out for doing that? I know John Fetterman called them out.
BartenderElite
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I absolutely did. I was outspoken about Kirk. I started a thread here titled "I am Charlie Kirk," and spoke about how he inspired me, and how disgusted I was by some who were celebrating.
I didn't abandon my morality & values to run cover for anyone.
QP!
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Impossible for Trump cultists to make that distinction as 'everything Trump does is necessarily good' and anything said or done against Trump is 'necessarily bad', simply due to being in the cult.
There is no way to reconcile the rage they showed, calling for the doxing and punishment/firing of any one online who said negative things about Charlie Kirk, in the days after his death. The outrage people like @TOP and @FastLane showed expressing a deep moral position of wrong that even if someone disagreed with Kirk they should not say those things in his death and not politicize it, and mean while the exact same people find every reason to excuse Trump saying more vile things as POTUS and making their deaths both about politics and about Trump himself.
I'm glad you got that part of my post. Now why did you ignore me saying Trump's comment was a screw up. And DID you research what Reiner did to piss Trump off. And have you ever said something in anger?
Hey retard I said this was a Trump screw up. I think I understand WHY Trump made his comment but he should not have been more measured in his comments.
I don't care if you disagree with Kirk but deceptively selectively editing what Kirk said and taking it out of context after Kirk can't defend himself crosses the line.
BartenderElite
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As I said before - it wasn't a "screw up." Trump has a robust history of this kind of vindictiveness, this lack of class, this truly sociopathic behavior.
I have seen a lot of what Reiner said. It doesn't justify Trump's reaction even one iota.
Have you read everything Reiner has written and said about Trump? A true Centrist would have done that before commenting. Comparing Trump to Hitler or a Nazi and calling him Putin's puppet put a target on Trump's back. Trump is tired of getting almost assassinated.
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BartenderElite
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Your "true centrist" comments are hilarious, btw.
Yeah - I've seen a lot of what he said. Can you please now explain how that makes any difference whatsoever, true far right-wing MAGA?
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Tobytone
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Most people would have stayed silent or issued some canned, politician-speak response, but not Trump.
If you want to attempt to understand his thinking, put yourself in his shoes for a minute. You've got a swarm of truly vile people turning on you, (supposedly friends for years) not over anything substantive, but purely because of the letter next to your name. Then layer on the nonstop comparisons to history's worst monsters, the ones who orchestrated millions of deaths, coming from bitter, hateful hacks like Rob Reiner and countless others who spent years trying to destroy you, your family, your friends, everyone remotely connected. It's got to be a brutal pill to swallow. Reiner absolutely earned a sharp jab, no question, it's when he gave that jab, obviously.
So yes, as President, Trump should have let it pass without comment or stuck to boilerplate. That's what every typical phony politician would do. But that's never been Trump. It's one of his flaws, among several I'd tweak if I could. You take the whole package or you don't. It's called reality. Too many morons out there think these things are what one should consider when voting. Wrong, that makes you a perfect target for a good liar, you know, nearly every democrat and plenty of republicans too. Personally, I'd put Lindsey Graham in that category too, just to show I see it on both sides.
I was talking this over with my daughter recently, and at one point I had to remind her she's an adult now, so time to think like one. I've always told her, and anyone I discuss politics with, that the only thing that actually matters is what a politician does, not what they say. Full stop.
You can hate Trump's dig at Reiner or love it, but in the end, it changes nothing. Policy is what counts.
And spare me the 'what about the children' routine. First, when you were a kid, did you have any idea what presidents or politicians were saying day to day? Doubt it, most adults have no idea either these days. Second, any decent parent raising a level-headed kid would just say, 'Yeah, that comment was over the line, but that's Trump being Trump. I'd handle plenty of things differently. We all have flaws, some hide them better than others. Bottom line, kid: ignore the noise from any politician's mouth. Judge them solely on their actions.'
On that front, I haven't found a single Trump policy or executive order I disagree with, yet. And I've never seen anyone get so many long-overdue things done at the speed he does. His distasteful tweets have zero impact on my life or my family's.
The Reiner shot is a classic example of Trump going too far verbally. It wasn't the first time, won't be the last. So, like I told my daughter: acknowledge you wouldn't have said it, disagree if you want, then move on like a grown-up.
If you want to attempt to understand his thinking, put yourself in his shoes for a minute. You've got a swarm of truly vile people turning on you, (supposedly friends for years) not over anything substantive, but purely because of the letter next to your name. Then layer on the nonstop comparisons to history's worst monsters, the ones who orchestrated millions of deaths, coming from bitter, hateful hacks like Rob Reiner and countless others who spent years trying to destroy you, your family, your friends, everyone remotely connected. It's got to be a brutal pill to swallow. Reiner absolutely earned a sharp jab, no question, it's when he gave that jab, obviously.
So yes, as President, Trump should have let it pass without comment or stuck to boilerplate. That's what every typical phony politician would do. But that's never been Trump. It's one of his flaws, among several I'd tweak if I could. You take the whole package or you don't. It's called reality. Too many morons out there think these things are what one should consider when voting. Wrong, that makes you a perfect target for a good liar, you know, nearly every democrat and plenty of republicans too. Personally, I'd put Lindsey Graham in that category too, just to show I see it on both sides.
I was talking this over with my daughter recently, and at one point I had to remind her she's an adult now, so time to think like one. I've always told her, and anyone I discuss politics with, that the only thing that actually matters is what a politician does, not what they say. Full stop.
You can hate Trump's dig at Reiner or love it, but in the end, it changes nothing. Policy is what counts.
And spare me the 'what about the children' routine. First, when you were a kid, did you have any idea what presidents or politicians were saying day to day? Doubt it, most adults have no idea either these days. Second, any decent parent raising a level-headed kid would just say, 'Yeah, that comment was over the line, but that's Trump being Trump. I'd handle plenty of things differently. We all have flaws, some hide them better than others. Bottom line, kid: ignore the noise from any politician's mouth. Judge them solely on their actions.'
On that front, I haven't found a single Trump policy or executive order I disagree with, yet. And I've never seen anyone get so many long-overdue things done at the speed he does. His distasteful tweets have zero impact on my life or my family's.
The Reiner shot is a classic example of Trump going too far verbally. It wasn't the first time, won't be the last. So, like I told my daughter: acknowledge you wouldn't have said it, disagree if you want, then move on like a grown-up.
I think it is hilarious that you consider yourself to be a centrist.
That is like me saying because I voted for Bill Clinton one time it makes me an independent. BartenderElite
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I think it is hilarious that you consider yourself to be a centrist.
People don't like it when I say that because it shines a mirror on their own extreme partisanship. That's it.
But, I am a centrist. What else am I if I don't vote for either major party and haven't in almost 2 decades?
Sorry it bugs ya.
You say the funniest things. It doesn't bug me it makes me chuckle. 3rd parties aren't necessarily in the center of the country.
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Jake Starkey
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You cannot explain away what he did. Period. He is a vile, vindictive person, who needs to leave the WH now. We will send the luggage later.
BartenderElite
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Tired of this narrative of "Poor Trump - look at how mean people have been to him!"
It comes w/ the territory if you're POTUS. Anyone remember the Obama or Biden years? Trump basically led the birther movement against Obama. Obama was also subjected to the usual petty racism, and of course the onslaught of vile comments and mockery from the entire right for over 8 years (still going pretty strong even today).
But we know - Trump is a fragile little snowflake who can't even handle basic questions from reporters, much less the kind of criticism that comes w/ the office.
It comes w/ the territory if you're POTUS. Anyone remember the Obama or Biden years? Trump basically led the birther movement against Obama. Obama was also subjected to the usual petty racism, and of course the onslaught of vile comments and mockery from the entire right for over 8 years (still going pretty strong even today).
But we know - Trump is a fragile little snowflake who can't even handle basic questions from reporters, much less the kind of criticism that comes w/ the office.
Tobytone
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Lol yes he must resign. Could you possibly be any dumber?
Jake Starkey
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yes he must resign