Evangelicals: God Sent Trump to be King

guno said:
This isn’t the religious right we thought we knew. The Christian nationalist movement today is authoritarian, paranoid and patriarchal at its core. They aren’t fighting a culture war. They’re making a direct attack on democracy itself.
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hmmmmm


and blind enough for some Russian influence to be doable
 
kudzu said:
You think the book of revelation is futuristic??????????


“The Trump Prophecy,” a film about a firefighter who, in a blinding orgiastic epiphany, picks up a Bible and turns to Isaiah 45, “which describes the anointment of King Cyrus by God.”

Get it, Isaiah “45” — Trump “45”?
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As I said before, Revelation is past, present, and future, as are all prophecies in scripture.

Did you apply Isaiah 43 to Bush 43, or Isaiah 44 to Obama 44?
 
Old Trapper said:
As I said before, Revelation is past, present, and future, as are all prophecies in scripture.

Did you apply Isaiah 43 to Bush 43, or Isaiah 44 to Obama 44?
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LOLOL.. No of course not.. Isaiah was talking about Cyrus anyway.


Revelation, if you believe what is says, happened within a generation (40 years) from the crucifixion.
 
kudzu said:
LOLOL.. No of course not.. Isaiah was talking about Cyrus anyway.


Revelation, if you believe what is says, happened within a generation (40 years) from the crucifixion.
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So it is your belief that Revelations 15-17 occurred in the first 40 years?

Did someone forget to tell the Apostles this?

And, of course, the New Heaven and New Earth, of Revelation 21 is upon us.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
lol......I have to admit, if you find all religions to be the same, you are certainly looking at them with something other than favoritism......
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They are all destructive and about money and power. Maybe not Hinduism, but certainly ours are. I look at them fairly and logically. I was raised Catholic and I resent my parents doing that to me, It took so long to figure it out and hate the time and thought it wasted.
 
Old Trapper said:
So it is your belief that Revelations 15-17 occurred in the first 40 years?

Did someone forget to tell the Apostles this?

And, of course, the New Heaven and New Earth, of Revelation 21 is upon us.
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The Tribulation was over in 70 AD with the fall of Massada and as Jesus said anyone could avoid it by fleeing to the mountains..

Of course there was a "new earth"... It was the end of Temple Judaism and the beginning of Rabbinical Judaism.

The problems that Christians have with Revelation is lousy scholarship.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
more dumb shit atheists believe.......and you people wonder why we think you're irrational......
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The irrationality is those who believe in invisible gods. And those who think a 3 time married adulterer who lies by the truckload is a good president and a good representative of America. Atheists are rational It is you who ar so susceptable to propaganda and outrageus lies, You even dismiss science because it requires prrof. You have dismissed evidence and prrof as things of value.
 
Nordberg said:
They are all destructive and about money and power. Maybe not Hinduism, but certainly ours are. I look at them fairly and logically. I was raised Catholic and I resent my parents doing that to me, It took so long to figure it out and hate the time and thought it wasted.
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/shrugs.......but you're a fucking idiot.......we don't give a shit if you hate your parents and they probably have gotten over it by now.......
 
kudzu said:
The Tribulation was over in 70 AD with the fall of Massada and as Jesus said anyone could avoid it by fleeing to the mountains..

Of course there was a "new earth"... It was the end of Temple Judaism and the beginning of Rabbinical Judaism.

The problems that Christians have with Revelation is lousy scholarship.
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we're not the idiots who think Jesus came back and had judgment day 2000 years ago........
 
Nordberg said:
The irrationality is those who believe in invisible gods. And those who think a 3 time married adulterer who lies by the truckload is a good president and a good representative of America. Atheists are rational It is you who ar so susceptable to propaganda and outrageus lies, You even dismiss science because it requires prrof. You have dismissed evidence and prrof as things of value.
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I dismiss nearly everything you cunts believe.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
/shrugs.......but you're a fucking idiot.......we don't give a shit if you hate your parents and they probably have gotten over it by now.......
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Never hated my parents. They were like most in our neighborhood, the Catholic Church was ubiquitous. We all were force fed religion. It was silly and I figured that out when I was a kid. You are as usual wrong, wrong, wrong.
 
kudzu said:
The Tribulation was over in 70 AD with the fall of Massada and as Jesus said anyone could avoid it by fleeing to the mountains..

Of course there was a "new earth"... It was the end of Temple Judaism and the beginning of Rabbinical Judaism.

The problems that Christians have with Revelation is lousy scholarship.
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Before the time of the Tribulation:

2Thessalonians 2: 1-16

"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."

And while there may have been a few Christians on Masada when it was destroyed, the purpose of the ones there was a Jewish rebellion against Rome. Had nothing to do with Christ.

Revelation 21: 1-4

"Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Not certain what denomination you attend, however, they are teaching you a false gospel. Perhaps that is why you so strongly support a feminist point of view.
 
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Old Trapper said:
Before the time of the Tribulation:

2Thessalonians 2: 1-16

"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."

And while there may have been a few Christians on Masada when it was destroyed, the purpose of the ones there was a Jewish rebellion against Rome. Had nothing to do with Christ.

Revelation 21: 1-4

"Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Not certain what denomination you attend, however, they are teaching you a false gospel. Perhaps that is why you so strongly support a feminist point of view.
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Are you familiar with Darby and Scofield? Those beliefs have only been around since the 1830s.

Has nothing to do with "feminism"

Paul died in 68 AD before the destruction of the Temple .

The Apostle Paul wrote the letter to the Thessalonians about 52-54 A.D. and it was one of his earliest written letters.

Its easy to forget that Jesus was an observant Jew his whole life.
 
Nordberg said:
Never hated my parents. They were like most in our neighborhood, the Catholic Church was ubiquitous. We all were force fed religion. It was silly and I figured that out when I was a kid. You are as usual wrong, wrong, wrong.
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/shrugs.....you're the one who said it......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
really?......that's not what the Sadducees and Pharisees said......
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Jesus was not a Pharisee, due to his re-interpretation of Jewish laws. But he was a lot closer to them than most people think, especially on his views of the resurrection of the dead and miracles.

Christ had given the Jerusalem disciples certain “signs” that would enable them to “flee unto the mountains,” avoiding the horrors of the Roman siege (Matthew 24:16).

According to the 4th century historian Eusebius, the “whole body” of members of the Jerusalem church found refuge in the town of Pella in Perea, east of the Jordan River (III.V, 86).
 
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