EV's now more expensive in time and money to refuel than ICE vehicles

T. A. Gardner

T. A. Gardner

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In a more comprehensive study, the Anderson Economic Group did a multi-year study of the costs to charge an EV versus an ICE vehicle. The EV loses, particularly on the cost in time to charge it.

Real-World Electric Vehicle Fueling Costs May Surprise New EV Drivers

The research found that fueling an EV is often more expensive than fueling an ICE vehicle. It further found that fueling costs are far more variable for EVs. The authors go on to note the significant time costs imposed on EV drivers as a result of both inadequate infrastructure and wait times associated with fueling, which can be five to ten times the cost for ICE drivers.
https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.c...le-fueling-costs-may-surprise-new-ev-drivers/

https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.c...world-cost-of-fueling-evs-and-ice-vehicles-2/

https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/EV_ICE_FuelingCosts_2ed4-5-22.pdf

So, when a dispassionate group without an agenda does a very thorough analysis of the costs, the EV loses again.
 
What? Joke Communist and the rest of the EV true believers aren't refuting this? Can it be their arguments in favor of EVs are all tissue thin bullshit?
 
You cannot learn the truth. You are anti EVs and will believe anything that comes out against them. You are blind to the opposing facts, so why deal with you?
EVs are far cheaper to operate and require a hell of a lot less maintenance. To some people, time is money to
Your EV is coming soon. You will finally figure it out.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
What? Joke Communist and the rest of the EV true believers aren't refuting this? Can it be their arguments in favor of EVs are all tissue thin bullshit?
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Todays EV's are in their infancy. Costs will come down, batteries will improve and charging times will be reduced.
 
floridafan said:
Todays EV's are in their infancy. Costs will come down, batteries will improve and charging times will be reduced.
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Bullshit. EV's have been around for nearly 150 years now, and they never worked compared to ICE vehicles. If they did, they'd have already been in the market. Sure, the technology has gotten better, but it hasn't bested the alternatives. Instead, today, it's only the radical Leftist greentards talking government into massive subsidies and draconian mandates that is allowing them to make any headway at all.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Bullshit. EV's have been around for nearly 150 years now, and they never worked compared to ICE vehicles. If they did, they'd have already been in the market. Sure, the technology has gotten better, but it hasn't bested the alternatives. Instead, today, it's only the radical Leftist greentards talking government into massive subsidies and draconian mandates that is allowing them to make any headway at all.
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It's no different than personal computers which now sell for a fraction of what they did 15 years ago and are far more sophisticated. HD TV's were costing in the thousands now far better are available for a few hundred dollars.
It's happening already, much cheaper alternatives to Tesla are already on the market.

You just refuse to accept any progress.
 
floridafan said:
It's no different than personal computers which now sell for a fraction of what they did 15 years ago and are far more sophisticated. HD TV's were costing in the thousands now far better are available for a few hundred dollars.
It's happening already, much cheaper alternatives to Tesla are already on the market.

You just refuse to accept any progress.
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Wrong. PC's were expensive until IBM changed one thing about them: IBM built one with open architecture. The IBM 8088 PC computer revolutionized not the internal components. Those were off-the-shelf run of the mill ones used more or less by every manufacturer. What changed was IBM made the operating system and source code open sourced. That meant anybody that wanted to develop software for it could do so free of royalties that other manufacturers charged exorbitantly for.
All of a sudden there was a massive increase in applications and uses for a PC due to the software that was now available. It creamed all the smaller, proprietary manufacturers. It also would put IBM ultimately out of the PC business, but it revolutionized small computers.

Unlike computers where a true revolution in design occurred, battery cars today are not that far removed from earlier ones. Sure, the Edison of 1912 was simpler, but it's essentially the same drive train that a modern EV has.

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There's nothing innovative about a modern EV. That's why they fail in the market without the government putting their proverbial thumb on the scale to force people into buying them.
 
floridafan said:
It's no different than personal computers which now sell for a fraction of what they did 15 years ago and are far more sophisticated. HD TV's were costing in the thousands now far better are available for a few hundred dollars.
It's happening already, much cheaper alternatives to Tesla are already on the market.

You just refuse to accept any progress.
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You are trying to bullshit us and say that a PC that I buy today for a few hundred dollars isnt far better than what cost thousands a decade ago? A PC printer today that costa about $100 is 10 times better than what was available for many hundreds more.
Then we have this:

American car shoppers appear to have discovered electric vehicles. After a decade of slow but steady sales growth, electric vehicle registrations in the U.S. shot up 60 percent in the first quarter of 2022, even as overall new car registrations dropped 18 percent, per a report by Automotive News that used data collected by financial data firm Experian. It’s the latest indication that domestic EV acceptance may have turned some important but invisible corner recently.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Bullshit. EV's have been around for nearly 150 years now, and they never worked compared to ICE vehicles. If they did, they'd have already been in the market. Sure, the technology has gotten better, but it hasn't bested the alternatives. Instead, today, it's only the radical Leftist greentards talking government into massive subsidies and draconian mandates that is allowing them to make any headway at all.
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What does the beginning of the automobile age have to do with today.? The early cars set speed records but the technology was not competitive regarding range and cost. Once they were rethought, they found how much better they are. They are improving rapidly in range and cost. they already are ahead of ICEs in speed. The time of ICEs is ending rapidly.
Here are the ev ICE cost comparisons . You are way off,. The cost of an average ICE and operation is 8,691 per year. In Oregon, an EV yearly cost is 2,474. In Mich, the most expensive is 5.076.
https://www.self.inc/info/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars-cost/
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Unlike computers where a true revolution in design occurred, battery cars today are not that far removed from earlier ones. Sure, the Edison of 1912 was simpler, but it's essentially the same drive train that a modern EV has.
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Seems you overlooked the revolution in battery technology. And you continue to act as if no new batteries will ever be invented. I guess that's because you have never invented anything or done anything new or novel.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Bullshit. EV's have been around for nearly 150 years now, and they never worked compared to ICE vehicles. If they did, they'd have already been in the market. Sure, the technology has gotten better, but it hasn't bested the alternatives. Instead, today, it's only the radical Leftist greentards talking government into massive subsidies and draconian mandates that is allowing them to make any headway at all.
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EV have been here for150 years, aren't you stretching the facts here just a bit?????
 
Just as the overlords are doing everything they can to make driving less appealing, that is slower and more of a hassle and with more risk if the rules are not followed, in order to "motivate" people to not drive, long recharging times are not necessarily a negative.

These people would ideally be walking or riding a bike or staying home.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
Seems you overlooked the revolution in battery technology. And you continue to act as if no new batteries will ever be invented. I guess that's because you have never invented anything or done anything new or novel.
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Will EV battery technology be safe for driver/passenger and first responders in case of a serious accident? There's always a trade off.
 
Nordberg said:
You cannot learn the truth. You are anti EVs and will believe anything that comes out against them. You are blind to the opposing facts, so why deal with you?
EVs are far cheaper to operate and require a hell of a lot less maintenance. To some people, time is money to
Your EV is coming soon. You will finally figure it out.
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Argument from randU fallacy. Argument of the Stone fallacies. Repetition fallacies.
 
floridafan said:
Todays EV's are in their infancy. Costs will come down, batteries will improve and charging times will be reduced.
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The Li-ion battery is the lightest battery around. The chemistry on this battery does not change. It takes one mole of lithium to provide 3.158 A-h. No matter how big or how small you build the batteries themselves, this number doesn't change. You can make it as one big battery or use several little batteries. The number does not change.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Bullshit. EV's have been around for nearly 150 years now, and they never worked compared to ICE vehicles. If they did, they'd have already been in the market. Sure, the technology has gotten better, but it hasn't bested the alternatives. Instead, today, it's only the radical Leftist greentards talking government into massive subsidies and draconian mandates that is allowing them to make any headway at all.
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The problem with the EVs are numerous, not the least of which is the power to weight ratio problem. Batteries are heavy (even Li-ion batteries!), and take away from useful load. Add to that the inconvenience of long charging times, costs, and energy inefficiency, and you can see why gasoline cars are predominant.

Even with golf carts the gasoline powered cart is predominant. You can see it at golf courses and at retirement communities such as The Villages in Florida.
floridafan and Nordberg is just ignoring all of it.
 
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