Explaining women in combat arms

I can see that maybe the length of explanation might be too much for some to track so ill simplify it down. After reading the long version the short version will make more sense.



Scenario 1:
Male 2nd Lt graduates the Infantry Officer Course and is assigned to an infantry platoon.
He gets promoted to 1st Lt and picks up more responsibility within the infantry company.
He gets promoted to Captain and is assigned as a company commander within an infantry battalion.
He gets promoted to Major and picks up more responsibility within the infantry battalion.
He gets promoted to Lt. Colonel and is assigned as a battalion commander within an infantry regiment.
He gets promoted to Colonel and is assigned a command with an infantry regiment.
He gets promoted to General and is assigned a command of a division.
and so on and so forth.

SINCE he was in the infantry his odds of being in combat are increased because the infantry is a combat arms unit. During war its highly likely that as a lowly platoon commander of an infantry unit his odds of being in combat are dramatically increased over the odds of a logistics officer. His promotion within the infantry however is not tied to necessarily "being in combat", his promotion path has more to do with the fact that his entire career has been infantry.

Scenario 2:
A female 2nd Lt graduates from The Basic School and goes to her specific MOS training that is NOT in combat arms as she is excluded from that path. She is in supply and logistics.
She does her job well and is promoted to 1st Lt within the logistics MOS path. As a logistics platoon leader.
She again performs well and is promoted to captain and takes over a logistics company.
She again performs well and is promoted to Major and takes over more responsibility within the logistics element battalion.
She again performs well and is promoted to a Lt. Colonel and take command of a logistics battalion.
She again performs well and is promoted to a Colonel taking over a logistics regiment.
She again performs well and is promoted to General and takes over a Logistics Group.

Maybe as a 1st Lt she was supervising a convoy in AFG and experiences combat. This experience is not really tied to her advancement within the logistics field. Logistics are not tasked with closing with and eliminating the enemy. So again, this combat experience doesnt necessarily help or hurt her career. Her promotion mobility is tied to her advancement through the logistics path.

There seems to be a misconception that BECAUSE the female experienced combat then she qualifies is being DENIED the command roles in the infantry that she would normally have. This is not the case. Even with the new policy she would not go from the logistics field to the infantry, it has nothing to do with combat experience its that she has years and on the ground experience and wisdom in the field of logistics.. her career path will be within that realm. This is the same for any man. No logistics male officer is going to be put into an infantry command billet just because he experienced combat on a convoy.

So even though both experienced combat at 1st Lt's, one is not qualified to be promoted through an infantry path, and the same is true for the male, he is not qualified to be promoted through the logistical path... Each person has been trained to do a job and its only logical to build strength in command by having experience within a field. It has nothing to do with combat for individual promotion within a field.

The new policy only opens up the possibility, no guarantee, but the possibility that a female could enter the infantry path... she may still not make it past captain.. but the additional billets will be open to her. She may or may not experience combat. That really doesnt matter.

My question is at what cost is this worth it? How can anyone justify putting lives at risk so that a gender based focus is made on the possibility of career advancement?
 
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Don't happen no more!
 
A little Pat Benatar!

Well there used to be a time when a man was a king
To work for a man was a woman's only dream
Everything he did was perfectly alright
He didn't have to worry about fussin' and fightin'

It don't happen no more
That was a long time ago
It's a pitiful shame
How the world has changed

There used to be a time when a woman couldn't smoke
There used to be a time when a woman couldn't vote
She used to stay at home while the man went out to play
She was satisfied with life any old way

It don't happen no more
That was a long time ago
It's a pitiful shame
How the world has changed
Well, well

There used to be a time when a woman couldn't cook
There used to be a time she didn't worry about her looks
She used to sip on Sassafrass, she didn't even drink
She didn't try to tell her man how to think

It don't happen no more
That was a long time ago, yeah
It's a pitiful shame
How the world has changed
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

It don't happen no more
That was a long time ago
It's a pitiful shame
How the world has changed

It don't happen no more
That was a long time ago
It's a pitiful shame
How the world has changed
 
A little Pat Benatar!

Well there used to be a time when a man was a king
To work for a man was a woman's only dream
Everything he did was perfectly alright
He didn't have to worry about fussin' and fightin'

It don't happen no more
That was a long time ago
It's a pitiful shame
How the world has changed

There used to be a time when a woman couldn't smoke
There used to be a time when a woman couldn't vote
She used to stay at home while the man went out to play
She was satisfied with life any old way

It don't happen no more
That was a long time ago
It's a pitiful shame
How the world has changed
Well, well

There used to be a time when a woman couldn't cook
There used to be a time she didn't worry about her looks
She used to sip on Sassafrass, she didn't even drink
She didn't try to tell her man how to think

It don't happen no more
That was a long time ago, yeah
It's a pitiful shame
How the world has changed
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

It don't happen no more
That was a long time ago
It's a pitiful shame
How the world has changed

It don't happen no more
That was a long time ago
It's a pitiful shame
How the world has changed


Perfect!
 
Well, thank goodness, the young men in the military think women belong where they wish to be.

My Air Force nephew reminded me his wife just completed her officer training and now outranks him. He sent me a picture of him saluting her.

Told me, she's got my back!
 
Well, thank goodness, the young men in the military think women belong where they wish to be.

My Air Force nephew reminded me his wife just completed her officer training and now outranks him. He sent me a picture of him saluting her.

Told me, she's got my back!

I dont think thats the case at all. ?
 
Here's a thought: let the military deal honestly with the rise in rapes of female military personnel first, THEN everyone can wring their hands over women in combat.

Yes, it can be done...just look at other countries that HAVE AND CONTINUE TO DO IT.

Don't assume standards will be lowered. It just mean that there won't be a LOT of women making the grade.

FYI: the martial art fighting style that was the basis for Bruce Lee's training was developed by a WOMAN.
 
Here's a thought: let the military deal honestly with the rise in rapes of female military personnel first, THEN everyone can wring their hands over women in combat.

Yes, it can be done...just look at other countries that HAVE AND CONTINUE TO DO IT.

Don't assume standards will be lowered. It just mean that there won't be a LOT of women making the grade.

FYI: the martial art fighting style that was the basis for Bruce Lee's training was developed by a WOMAN.

Hi, welcome back! I was wondering about you.
 
I dont think that young men in the military think women belong where they wish to be....

thats what this entire thread is about.
 
I dont think that young men in the military think women belong where they wish to be....

thats what this entire thread is about.

Well that raises an interesting point. Say your average 18 year old enlists. The kid has all kinds of friends... gay, straight, female, male, black, white etc. The kid doesn't have any preconceived notions about people (work with this).

At what point in basic is the kid indoctrinated that lifting DADT was a bad idea, or that there are certain jobs women shouldn't do?
 
If you check the post I was responding to yet another creepy post of yours in which you were telling everyone I was of Irish descent. That's really none of your fucking business, and the fact is you creep around this place, writing down everything everyone says, repeating it, checking into it, and in Poet's case, PM'ing everyone else what you found.

You're creepy.

Further the post wasn't true which is why I didn't remember it. I was fucking with you because i intensely dislike when you make personal comments. I find it creepy. Because it is creepy.

You posted it and then you forgot you posted.
Then you tried to make up some asinine conclusion, regarding your own comment.

You fucked up, so suck it up; bitch.
 
Now she is complaining about personal info, holy fuck the dozy trollop posted it on here in the first place. If you don't like it then shut the fuck up but that is probably asking too much. Anyway, calling somebody you don't know a rapist apparently doesn't qualify as personal. At least Bijou had the good sense to piss off, can't you take a hint??:palm:

Now she's saying that her post, regarding the Scilian comment, isn't true; when before she admitted that she revealed it on the old AOL boards.
She's such a trollop.
 
I would do the same if every man and his fucking dog didn't seem to have an opinion which they simply must express or burst in the process.

Oh please, you throw this crap out there for public consumption like an old lady gossiping after church. And you keep desperately hoping someone will agree with you or believe you.
 
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