FACT: Christianity has almost solely been spread through the sword

Buckly J. Ewer said:
THE CRUSADES
The first of the Crusades began in 1095, when armies of Christians from Western Europe responded to Pope Urban II’s plea to go to war against Muslim forces in the Holy Land. After the First Crusade achieved its goal with the capture of Jerusalem in 1099, the invading Christians set up several Latin Christian states, even as Muslims in the region vowed to wage holy war (jihad) to regain control over the region. Deteriorating relations between the Crusaders and their Christian allies in the Byzantine Empire culminated in the sack of Constantinople in 1204 during the Third Crusade. Near the end of the 13th century, the rising Mamluk dynasty in Egypt provided the final reckoning for the Crusaders, toppling the coastal stronghold of Acre and driving the European invaders out of Palestine and Syria in 1291.
In 1095, Alexius sent envoys to Pope Urban II asking for mercenary troops from the West to help confront the Turkish threat. Though relations between Christians in East and West had long been fractious, Alexius’ request came at a time when the situation was improving. In November 1095, at the Council of Clermont in southern France, the pope called on Western Christians to take up arms in order to aid the Byzantines and recapture the Holy Land from Muslim control. Pope Urban’s plea met with a tremendous response, both among lower levels of the military elite (who would form a new class of knights) as well as ordinary citizens; it was determined that those who joined the armed pilgrimage would wear a cross as a symbol of the Church.
Click to expand...

the crusades, Buckie whispers, explain why all of northern Africa and the Middle East are currently Christian nations.......the church was spread by the sword......
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
Spanish Inquisition
Spanish history [1478–1834]
Written by: The Rev. Edward A. Ryan, S.J. 0
READ VIEW ALL MEDIA (9) VIEW HISTORY EDIT FEEDBACK
Spanish Inquisition,
Spanish Inquisition [Credit: © Photos.com/Thinkstock](1478–1834), judicial institution ostensibly established to combat heresy in Spain. In practice, the Spanish Inquisition served to consolidate power in the monarchy of the newly unified Spanish kingdom, but it achieved that end through infamously brutal methods.

The rise of the Spanish Inquisition
The medieval inquisition had played a considerable role in Christian Spain during the 13th century, but the struggle against the Moors had kept the inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula busy and served to strengthen their faith. When toward the end of the 15th century the Reconquista was all but complete, the desire for religious unity became more and more pronounced. Spain’s Jewish population, which was among the largest in Europe, soon became a target.

Over centuries, the Jewish community in Spain had flourished and grown in numbers and influence, though anti-Semitism had surfaced from time to time. During the reign of Henry III of Castile and Leon (1390–1406), Jews faced increased persecution and were pressured to convert to Christianity. The pogroms of 1391 were especially brutal, and the threat of violence hung over the Jewish community in Spain. Faced with the choice between baptism and death, the number of nominal converts to the Christian faith soon became very great. Many Jews were killed, and those who adopted Christian beliefs—the so-called conversos (Spanish: “converted”)—faced continued suspicion and prejudice. In addition, there remained a significant population of Jews who had professed conversion but continued to practice their faith in secret. Known as Marranos, those nominal converts from Judaism were perceived to be an even greater threat to the social order than those who had rejected forced conversion. After Aragon and Castile were united by the marriage of Ferdinand and Isabella (1469), the Marranos were denounced as a danger to the existence of Christian Spain. In 1478 Pope Sixtus IV issued a bull authorizing the Catholic Monarchs to name inquisitors who would address the issue. That did not mean that the Spanish sovereigns were turning over to the church the struggle for unity; on the contrary, they sought to use the Inquisition to support their absolute and centralizing regime and most especially to increase royal power in Aragon. The first Spanish inquisitors, operating in Seville, proved so severe that Sixtus IV attempted to intervene. The Spanish crown now had in its possession a weapon too precious to give up, however, and the efforts of the pope to limit the powers of the Inquisition were without avail. In 1483 he was induced to authorize the naming by the Spanish government of a grand inquisitor (inquisitor general) for Castile, and during that same year Aragon, Valencia, and Catalonia were placed under the power of the Inquisition.

The Inquisition at its peak
Spanish Inquisition: suspected Protestants being tortured [Credit: Three Lions/Hulton Archive/Getty Images]The grand inquisitor acted as the head of the Inquisition in Spain. The ecclesiastical jurisdiction that he had received from the Vatican empowered him to name deputies and hear appeals. In deciding appeals, the grand inquisitor was assisted by a council of five members and by consultors. All those offices were filled by agreement between the government and the grand inquisitor. The council, especially after its reorganization during the reign of Philip II (1556–98), put the effective control of the institution more and more into the hands of the civil power. After the papacy of Clement VII (1523–34), priests and bishops were at times judged by the Inquisition. In procedure the Spanish Inquisition was much like the medieval inquisition. The first grand inquisitor in Spain was the Dominican Tomás de Torquemada; his name became synonymous with the brutality and fanaticism associated with the Inquisition. Torquemada used torture and confiscation to terrorize his victims, and his methods were the product of a time when judicial procedure was cruel by design. The sentencing of the accused took place at the auto-da-fé (Portuguese: “act of faith”), an elaborate public expression of the Inquisition’s power. The condemned were presented before a large crowd that often included royalty, and the proceedings had a ritualized, almost festive, quality. The number of burnings at the stake during Torquemada’s tenure was exaggerated by Protestant critics of the Inquisition, but it is generally estimated to have been about 2,000.

Torquemada, Tomás de [Credit: Courtesy of the Biblioteca Nacional, Madrid]At Torquemada’s urging, Ferdinand and Isabella issued an edict on March 31, 1492, giving Spanish Jews the choice of exile or baptism; as a result, more than 160,000 Jews were expelled from Spain. Francisco, Cardinal Jiménez de Cisneros, promoted the suppression of Muslims with the same zeal that Torquemada had directed at Jews. In 1502 he ordered the proscription of Islam in Granada, the last of the Muslim kingdoms in Spain to fall to the Reconquista. The persecution of Muslims accelerated in 1507 when Jiménez was named grand inquisitor. Muslims in Valencia and Aragon were subjected to forced conversion in 1526, and Islam was subsequently banned in Spain. The Inquisition then devoted its attention to the Moriscos, Spanish Muslims who had previously accepted baptism. Expressions of Morisco culture were forbidden by Philip II in 1566, and within three years, persecution by the Inquisition gave way to open warfare between the Moriscos and the Spanish crown. The Moriscos were driven from Granada in 1571, and by 1614 some 300,000 had been expelled from Spain entirely.

Spanish Inquisition [Credit: Hulton Archive/Getty Images]When the Reformation began to penetrate into Spain, the relatively few Spanish Protestants were eliminated by the Inquisition. Foreigners suspected of promoting Protestant faiths within Spain met similarly violent ends. Having largely purged the country of Jews and Muslims—as well as many former members of those faiths who had converted to Christianity—the Spanish Inquisition turned its attention to prominent Roman Catholics. Saint Ignatius of Loyola was twice arrested on suspicion of heresy, and the archbishop of Toledo, the Dominican Bartolomé de Carranza, was imprisoned for almost 17 years. Nominally Christian groups that diverged from the Inquisition’s orthodoxy, such as the followers of the mystical Alumbrado movement and adherents of Erasmianism (a spiritualized Christian belief system influenced by the teachings of humanist Desiderius Erasmus), were subjected to intense persecution throughout the 16th and into the 17th century.
Click to expand...

The Spanish Inquisition, Buckie explains, is why there are no Jews or protestants in Europe......religion having been spread by the sword.....
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
Spanish Inquisition
Spanish history [1478–1834]
Written by: The Rev. Edward A. Ryan, S.J. 0
READ VIEW ALL MEDIA (9) VIEW HISTORY EDIT FEEDBACK
Spanish Inquisition,
Spanish Inquisition [Credit: © Photos.com/Thinkstock](1478–1834), judicial institution ostensibly established to combat heresy in Spain. In practice, the Spanish Inquisition served to consolidate power in the monarchy of the newly unified Spanish kingdom, but it achieved that end through infamously brutal methods.

The rise of the Spanish Inquisition
The medieval inquisition had played a considerable role in Christian Spain during the 13th century, but the struggle against the Moors had kept the inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula busy and served to strengthen their faith. When toward the end of the 15th century the Reconquista was all but complete, the desire for religious unity became more and more pronounced. Spain’s Jewish population, which was among the largest in Europe, soon became a target.

Over centuries, the Jewish community in Spain had flourished and grown in numbers and influence, though anti-Semitism had surfaced from time to time. During the reign of Henry III of Castile and Leon (1390–1406), Jews faced increased persecution and were pressured to convert to Christianity. The pogroms of 1391 were especially brutal, and the threat of violence hung over the Jewish community in Spain. Faced with the choice between baptism and death, the number of nominal converts to the Christian faith soon became very great. Many Jews were killed, and those who adopted Christian beliefs—the so-called conversos (Spanish: “converted”)—faced continued suspicion and prejudice. In addition, there remained a significant population of Jews who had professed conversion but continued to practice their faith in secret. Known as Marranos, those nominal converts from Judaism were perceived to be an even greater threat to the social order than those who had rejected forced conversion. After Aragon and Castile were united by the marriage of Ferdinand and Isabella (1469), the Marranos were denounced as a danger to the existence of Christian Spain. In 1478 Pope Sixtus IV issued a bull authorizing the Catholic Monarchs to name inquisitors who would address the issue. That did not mean that the Spanish sovereigns were turning over to the church the struggle for unity; on the contrary, they sought to use the Inquisition to support their absolute and centralizing regime and most especially to increase royal power in Aragon. The first Spanish inquisitors, operating in Seville, proved so severe that Sixtus IV attempted to intervene. The Spanish crown now had in its possession a weapon too precious to give up, however, and the efforts of the pope to limit the powers of the Inquisition were without avail. In 1483 he was induced to authorize the naming by the Spanish government of a grand inquisitor (inquisitor general) for Castile, and during that same year Aragon, Valencia, and Catalonia were placed under the power of the Inquisition.

The Inquisition at its peak
Spanish Inquisition: suspected Protestants being tortured [Credit: Three Lions/Hulton Archive/Getty Images]The grand inquisitor acted as the head of the Inquisition in Spain. The ecclesiastical jurisdiction that he had received from the Vatican empowered him to name deputies and hear appeals. In deciding appeals, the grand inquisitor was assisted by a council of five members and by consultors. All those offices were filled by agreement between the government and the grand inquisitor. The council, especially after its reorganization during the reign of Philip II (1556–98), put the effective control of the institution more and more into the hands of the civil power. After the papacy of Clement VII (1523–34), priests and bishops were at times judged by the Inquisition. In procedure the Spanish Inquisition was much like the medieval inquisition. The first grand inquisitor in Spain was the Dominican Tomás de Torquemada; his name became synonymous with the brutality and fanaticism associated with the Inquisition. Torquemada used torture and confiscation to terrorize his victims, and his methods were the product of a time when judicial procedure was cruel by design. The sentencing of the accused took place at the auto-da-fé (Portuguese: “act of faith”), an elaborate public expression of the Inquisition’s power. The condemned were presented before a large crowd that often included royalty, and the proceedings had a ritualized, almost festive, quality. The number of burnings at the stake during Torquemada’s tenure was exaggerated by Protestant critics of the Inquisition, but it is generally estimated to have been about 2,000.

Torquemada, Tomás de [Credit: Courtesy of the Biblioteca Nacional, Madrid]At Torquemada’s urging, Ferdinand and Isabella issued an edict on March 31, 1492, giving Spanish Jews the choice of exile or baptism; as a result, more than 160,000 Jews were expelled from Spain. Francisco, Cardinal Jiménez de Cisneros, promoted the suppression of Muslims with the same zeal that Torquemada had directed at Jews. In 1502 he ordered the proscription of Islam in Granada, the last of the Muslim kingdoms in Spain to fall to the Reconquista. The persecution of Muslims accelerated in 1507 when Jiménez was named grand inquisitor. Muslims in Valencia and Aragon were subjected to forced conversion in 1526, and Islam was subsequently banned in Spain. The Inquisition then devoted its attention to the Moriscos, Spanish Muslims who had previously accepted baptism. Expressions of Morisco culture were forbidden by Philip II in 1566, and within three years, persecution by the Inquisition gave way to open warfare between the Moriscos and the Spanish crown. The Moriscos were driven from Granada in 1571, and by 1614 some 300,000 had been expelled from Spain entirely.

Spanish Inquisition [Credit: Hulton Archive/Getty Images]When the Reformation began to penetrate into Spain, the relatively few Spanish Protestants were eliminated by the Inquisition. Foreigners suspected of promoting Protestant faiths within Spain met similarly violent ends. Having largely purged the country of Jews and Muslims—as well as many former members of those faiths who had converted to Christianity—the Spanish Inquisition turned its attention to prominent Roman Catholics. Saint Ignatius of Loyola was twice arrested on suspicion of heresy, and the archbishop of Toledo, the Dominican Bartolomé de Carranza, was imprisoned for almost 17 years. Nominally Christian groups that diverged from the Inquisition’s orthodoxy, such as the followers of the mystical Alumbrado movement and adherents of Erasmianism (a spiritualized Christian belief system influenced by the teachings of humanist Desiderius Erasmus), were subjected to intense persecution throughout the 16th and into the 17th century.
Click to expand...

Got anything within the last 180 years??
 
Underworld King Star said:
Christian_world_map.png


Can anyone identify any of the above countries which, at some point in time, was not conquered by Christian jihadists and had Christianity forced down their throats? Christianity is like a plague spread through the world by raging, mad holy warriors who see no bounds in decent behavior. Christianity is a mental disease which, if not stopped, will enslave and conquer the entire world. It's already conquered like 2/3 of the world through the use of imperialism! If left unchecked, it will destroy everything. NUKE JERUSALEM! NUKE LONDON! NUKE MADRID! NUKE BERLIN! NUKE PARIS! NUKE MOSCOW! Stop Christian jihad!
Click to expand...
Why nuke them? Won't Jesus take care of that when he comes back?
 
Norah said:
There's been violence in probably all religions at one time or another and a lot of that violence was horrible and unnecessary, but even the violence committed by past Christians shouldn't take away from the peaceful and important messages and actions of past and current Christians. A lot of evil has been done in Christ's name, it just has, and so we as Christians have work to do to right those past wrongs, and I believe we have and are, but we can do that through truly being Christ's example and by spreading the good news in a peaceful and genuine way and not through violence or through judgments that we shouldn't be making as sinners ourselves.
Click to expand...
Is not the same true of Islam and the prophet Mohammed?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
This ones in the running for most ridiculous thread of the day award.

Christian jihad? Are things so desperate we need to co-opt Islamic doctrine and make it 'Christian' in order to level the playing field? Apparently, yes.

Christianity was spread by preaching, and preaching alone, for centuries before it got mixed up with government, *contrary to its own principles and doctrine*. Islam, was spread by the sword, by Mohammed himself. To compound matters, Islam has been at war with itself since shortly after Mohammed died. It still is as we speak.

To further compound matters, as if they needed compounding, contrary to Christianity, it's rather difficult to separate Islam from government. As anyone with two eyes can see, even today.

In fact, many millions of Muslims across the globe see no distinction between Islam and government. There's a whole country of them in Saudi Arabia. There's a caliphate [another doctrinal term unique to Islam] in parts of Syria and Iraq.

The silly maps are misleading.
Click to expand...
Not if your Skidmark and you're trying to troll xenophobes.

I'm sorry Darth but to say that Christianity was spread in the new world by preaching and preaching alone is completely, utterly and mind boggling ignorant of the historical facts which say otherwise. You are talking about a time, with the sanction of the Catholic Church and the Pope, in which Native Americans, particularly in Mexico, Central America and South America were forcibly converted, enslaved and purposefully worked to death so that they wouldn't back slide into heathenism. That's to the tune of 20-40 million human lives exterminated.
 
Last edited:
each and every religion that becomes a great big Organized institution will become invaded by evil sociopaths and do evil.

stop organizing


just believe what is in your soul.



DONT turn your belief into a weapon to kill an harm your fellow man so you can be the last religion standing.



Its what makes you evil
 
Sheogorath said:
Indonesia says otherwise.
Click to expand...
and most of central asia, Pakastan and Malaysia.

Anyone who is honest and knows both the history and the facts knows that the European colonial period in the New World was one of the greatest crimes against humanity in world history. In terms of the people killed by Christian colonialist as a part of the total world population it ranks with WWII in terms of being a human catastrophe and there's no escaping that the rape, plunder and pillage in the new world was sanctioned by varying heads of the Christian faiths.

That crimes against humanity have been committed in the name of Islam there can be no doubt but they were in no way, shape or form of the scale of the Christian colonial conquests. In fact Islam suffered one of the greatest crimes against humanity during the Mongol conquest when much of the Muslim population of central Asia, Anatolia and modern Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq were extirpated by the Mongols. A catastrophe from which those regions never fully recovered until modern times.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
and most of central asia, Pakastan and Malaysia.

Anyone who is honest and knows both the history and the facts knows that the European colonial period in the New World was one of the greatest crimes against humanity in world history. In terms of the people killed by Christian colonialist as a part of the total world population it ranks with WWII in terms of being a human catastrophe and there's no escaping that the rape, plunder and pillage in the new world was sanctioned by varying heads of the Christian faiths.

That crimes against humanity have been committed in the name of Islam there can be no doubt but they were in no way, shape or form of the scale of the Christian colonial conquests. In fact Islam suffered one of the greatest crimes against humanity during the Mongol conquest when much of the Muslim population of central Asia, Anatolia and modern Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq were extirpated by the Mongols. A catastrophe from which those regions never fully recovered until modern times.
Click to expand...

Yeah, but then you have Tamerlane...
 
Norah said:
Religions don't kill anymore than a gun does. People kill, people with and without religion, but I firmly believe that sincere faith is a good thing and for me that is through Christ.
Click to expand...

Religious people kill who wouldn't have if they were not driven by "faith"...
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Not if your Skidmark and you're trying to troll xenophobes.

I'm sorry Darth but to say that Christianity was spread in the new world by preaching and preaching alone is completely, utterly and mind boggling ignorant of the historical facts which say otherwise. You are talking about a time, with the sanction of the Catholic Church and the Pope, in which Native Americans, particularly in Mexico, Central America and South America were forcibly converted, enslaved and purposefully worked to death so that they wouldn't back slide into heathenism. That's to the tune of 20-40 million human lives exterminated.
Click to expand...

Christianity spread out of the Middle East and into Rome well before there was even a Pope to talk about. I think that's pretty much beyond dispute.
 
christiefan915 said:
St. Peter was at the very beginning of Christianity so how do you figure?
Click to expand...

Was Peter violent? Tradition has it was crucified upside down.

My point was that Christianity is a non-violent religion---at its essence. There was no violence done by Christians until the Pope was called a Pope, some centuries after Jesus or even Peter.

In contrast, Islam began peacefully until Mohammed conquered Mecca. Only a period of some years. So 'the essential Islam' is violent by comparison. By essence I mean the religion as it was conceived by its originators and not later followers who tend to misinterpret it or use it for their own ends.

And I will go as far to say it's easy to make the argument that radical Muslims aren't perverting Islam---based on the model of Mohammed.

It's apparent that the radicals think it's an easy argument to make. Or at least they seem to have considerable success in making it.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top