fake news by russia effected the election
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It was Bush's fault. Were you out of the country when he was president? did you miss him starting a couple wars without paying or them? How about the WMD? Were you around in 2008 when we were fighting the second great depression? Did the banking failures and foreclosures happen when you were abroad?" Do you remember the war on terrorism that resulted in us attacking Iraq ,who had nothing to do with it? When Obama took over the stock market was under 8000. Did you forget that too?
The Russians had a staff of hundreds trying to hack American companies and important people. Putin did not want Hillary because he knew he had some control over Trump. So he used Wikileaks to put out anti Hillary information. It did not have to be true. Right after the Trump abuse of women tape, they let out a bunch of anti Hillary stuff, that was not true. It diverted the attention away from Trumps horror on the bus. Trump will likely face money laundering charges, with Ross and many others. The Russian plutocrats used the bank of Cyprus and real estate deals to launder money. Not hard to s how Trump will get swept into that.
TrippyHippy
free mind and open heart
Y-you mean propaganda influenced an election? Whaaat? That's never ever happened before. 
Seriously though, propaganda whether American or international has influenced elections since the printing press. Nothing new. Worrisome? Perhaps a little bit. But we've been electing corrupt chumps to office to serve non-public interests for decades. We call that politics. I mean, look at Congress for christ's sake.
Seriously though, propaganda whether American or international has influenced elections since the printing press. Nothing new. Worrisome? Perhaps a little bit. But we've been electing corrupt chumps to office to serve non-public interests for decades. We call that politics. I mean, look at Congress for christ's sake.
You don't cheat when you are following the rules in the Constitution (which does not even provide for popular votes). The "tyranny of the majority" is exactly why the founders rejected democracy as a form of government when they created our system.
Every time Trump did something stupid, or a new story came out hurting him. the net was buried with anti Hillary stories. Many times the stories were absurd. Whether Russia actually impacted the race is not able to be proven to a certainty, but they sure as hell tried to. I think they were successful to a great degree.
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
If that helps you rationalize the loss so be it
Y-you mean propaganda influenced an election? Whaaat? That's never ever happened before.
Seriously though, propaganda whether American or international has influenced elections since the printing press. Nothing new. Worrisome? Perhaps a little bit. But we've been electing corrupt chumps to office to serve non-public interests for decades. We call that politics. I mean, look at Congress for christ's
That is not it at all. The Russians deliberately hacked American politics and interfered ion the election. This was the Russian government paying and directing a huge group[ of hackers to disrupt the American system. They 're doing it in European elections too. This is not business as usual, but an escalation of hacking and propaganda.
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Why do I have to rationalize it? Merely stating the facts and going where they led me.
evince
Truthmatters
Did they change your vote? No, because we tend to reject news that disagrees with our preconceived views and news we agree with reinforces our opinions. I know people who shared and believed those wild Facebook posts about Hillary, but they are people I knew would be voting for Trump 20 years ago because they are Republicans who think Democrat are evil.
We think others less intelligent and informed than ourselves are influenced by such propaganda but we are too intelligent to fall for it.
Oh, my vote is proof. Other votes are not. There were lots of people on the fence. They could be knocked over by the propaganda. I thought, and still think, Trump was the worst candidate to ever run for president. He proves that every day. Comey was a big factor. His announcement with a week to go was deadly to Hillary's campaign. Yes, people can be swayed. There are unbelieveably people who voted for Trump. Hard to imagine. How fucking stupid were they?
evince
Truthmatters
Fox news prepared the trump voters for the Russians efforts for years by lying to them
fox then continued to repeat the Russian lies throughout the elections
they are still mouthing the Russian lies
it is not impossible that the Mueller investigation may be indicting journalists in this case
fox then continued to repeat the Russian lies throughout the elections
they are still mouthing the Russian lies
it is not impossible that the Mueller investigation may be indicting journalists in this case
True, that is why the public had negative perceptions of both candidates. Your vote is not proof, but characteristic of most voters. People can be swayed but it is doubtful negative stories about Hillary did it as much as the public dislike of politicians and selling trump as a "non-politician." There were a larger number of late-deciders in 2016--I assume due to the unpopularity of both candidates.
Those sure were 13 persuasive Russians.
cawacko
Well-known member
If you're 75 years old as you claim this isn't your first rodeo. Why did people vote for Trump? Abortion, Supreme Court vacancy, guns. Those are just a few. They may think the guy sucks but if those issues are most important to you you sure weren't voting for Hillary.
Trump is horrible and a Russian stooge. The house and senate voted overwhelmingly to sanction the Russians for their interference in the election. That is this ,way right wing Republican house and senate. What did Trump do? Why nothing., he prevented the sanctions from being enacted.
People voted for Trump because they have no sales resistance. trump is a showman and a salesman. He said what people wanted to hear. Not what he could do, although he did not know what he actually has the power to do .He made simple little dumb promises, like wall. He isn't building a wall. He will make a big show of building a tiny little piece and you all will jump on board. It is a stupid fucking idea to feed to stupid people.
The asshole turned the press into the enemy, and the idiots loved it. They covered every fucking stupid utterance he made, every bit of his rallies, and he cried about how he wasn't getting covered. And you dopes bought that too. He got mega millions of free press and cried about his lack of coverage. He called them fake news. He is trying to destroy one of the fundamental underpinning of our system. And you guys love it.
Comey killed Hillary. She had a very comfortable lead at that point and it dropped precipitously when he made that incorrect announcement about the emails. I bet you guys don't even know it was Strzrok who found them and urged Comey to make them public. Of course not, you watch Fox.
cawacko
Well-known member
A lot of assumptions there and you completely ignored the points I made. And actually I don't watch Fox but let me guess you watch racist MSNBC?