Federal troops kill a man because he carried a concealed gun.

Damocles said:
It depends on how you show you are stupid. I pull the gun and point it at them while shouting "here you go pigs!"... will that get me shot? Will they know I was handing it over?
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If you did the above, you would be committing assault with a deadly weapon, with the imminent threat of deadly force. Shooting justified no questions, so you would not be shot for being stupid, you would be shot for being a legitimate threat to someone's life.

I have never encountered a situation where I believed having a gun would have helped me in any way. I never carry one on me. I think a lot of people who do are insecure and thus more likely to use it in an inappropriate way.
 
Jarod said:
If you did the above, you would be committing assault with a deadly weapon, with the imminent threat of deadly force. Shooting justified no questions, so you would not be shot for being stupid, you would be shot for being a legitimate threat to someone's life.

I have never encountered a situation where I believed having a gun would have helped me in any way. I never carry one on me. I think a lot of people who do are insecure and thus more likely to use it in an inappropriate way.
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Again, all I was doing was handing the gun over... I was not committing assault I just did the right thing stupidly. You insisted that being stupid should not endanger you, then when I gave you an example of stupid, you said that being stupid is assault.

I can call cops pigs, I can carry, I can even hand guns over when they ask me to... What I cannot do is put myself in a position where they can perceive me as a danger. Even if it is just "stupidity" that got me there.
 
Jarod said:
If you did the above, you would be committing assault with a deadly weapon, with the imminent threat of deadly force. Shooting justified no questions, so you would not be shot for being stupid, you would be shot for being a legitimate threat to someone's life.

I have never encountered a situation where I believed having a gun would have helped me in any way. I never carry one on me. I think a lot of people who do are insecure and thus more likely to use it in an inappropriate way.
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Like I said. I'm going to get a weapon and license to carry now. I don't like the revolvers. I'm going to get a pistol with a clip. I'll comply with all purchasing and screening rules in my state.

If ICE goes on a murdering spree in my town I will not be the last one to die.
 
Damocles said:
That would be part of it too. What training have they gone through, were they taught de-escalation tactics? Do they understand the right to video in all public settings? So, yes, that would be one of the considerations.
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47 days of training, boss! You know why it's "47"? Isn't that just special?
 
Damocles said:
Again, all I was doing was handing the gun over... I was not committing assault I just did the right thing stupidly. You insisted that being stupid should not endanger you, then you said that being stupid is assault.
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Intent is not the issue when pointing a gun at a person, its assault with a deadly weapon, even if you express a different intent. Its justified to shoot anyone who is pointing a gun at you.
 
Jarod said:
Intent is not the issue when pointing a gun at a person, its assault with a deadly weapon, even if you express a different intent. Its justified to shoot anyone who is pointing a gun at you.
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So, being stupid can get you shot, you were mistaken. Thank you. At this point you need to stop making blanket statements you cannot back up when the first example you come across makes your statement a lie.
 
Damocles said:
I have seen no video. I am in the "ask questions" stage of this. Later I'll watch all the video available, after I learn what people perceive from this. If they disarmed him first then fired will be part of what I am looking for, because someone says they saw that.
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Here's what I think I saw after several videos.
They charge him, a scuffle ensues, one sees a gun and strips it very fast, the guy had a round chambered and the gun goes off into
the pavement, he then goes for the gun that isn't there anymore, the "gun!" gets called and they start shooting.
I have seen the slide back and an ejected shell on the ground and the gun in the guy that stripped it's hand and that was a second or 2 before the dude got shot to death after going for his gun he thought was there.
I could be wrong, but there was some due diligence put in.
I can edit videos and slow them down and all kinds of stuff.
Scan for open ports. :awesome:
 
Matt Dillon said:
Here's what I think I saw after several videos.
They charge him, a scuffle ensues, one sees a gun and strips it very fast, the guy had a round chambered and the gun goes off into
the pavement, he then goes fo the gun that isn't there anymore, the "gun!" gets called and they start shooting.
I have the slide back and an ejected shell on the ground and the gun in the guy that stripped it's hand and that was a second or 2 before the dude
got shot to death after going for his gun he thought was there.
I could be wrong, but there was some due diligence put in.
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Thanks. What people are perceiving will be important in what I get out of this. I am thankful I haven't seen any video yet. I have two opinions on what happened, what is interesting is both see the gun taken from him before he was shot. And one that states there was a shouted "gun" warning... also one of them never stated that the gun went off...

In these cases perception is everything.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You aren't looking at it objectively. This incident took place in a matter of a few confused seconds during a violent struggle between someone resisting arrest and law enforcement. There is no luxury of taking your time to make decisions in that situation.
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You're describing the Ashli Babbitt shooting, right?

Is that what you're describing?

Sounds just like the Ashli Babbitt situation.
T. A. Gardner said:
Like I've said:

Pretti set himself up for failure by first having that pistol on him and then resisting arrest. When he continued to resist, at some point he made a wrong move, or one of the officers mistook what was happening, or both, and Pretti died for his initial mistake.
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Ashli Babbitt set herself up for failure by attempting to access a high security area within the US Capitol building while taking part in a violent mob action.
T. A. Gardner said:
He shouldn't have been where he was and he shouldn't have been armed.
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Ashli Babbitt shouldn't have been where she was and she shouldn't have tried to illegally enter a high security area.
T. A. Gardner said:
That's not to say he couldn't protest, he could.
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Same with Babbitt.
T. A. Gardner said:
His mistake was going up to the officers and their vehicle while armed. That is never a smart thing to do. You are just asking for trouble from the cops, any cops, doing that.
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He didn't do any of that.

The video clearly shows them approach him. After the fat ICE pansy shoved a woman into her face, he tried to help her get up which was when the rest of the fat slob ICE thugs liked in too of him.

Get your shit straight before you chime in.
 
Damocles said:
So, being stupid can get you shot, you were mistaken. Thank you. At this point you need to stop making blanket statements you cannot back up when the first example you come across makes your statement a lie.
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Its stupid to point a gun at someone, being stupid can cause a lot of things. Its not the reason its legal to shoot someone.

Its stupid to carry a gun to a protest, Its not a legal reason to kill someone. Nobody should be punished for being stupid.
 
Jarod said:
Its stupid to point a gun at someone, being stupid can cause a lot of things. Its not the reason its legal to shoot someone.

Its stupid to carry a gun to a protest, Its not a legal reason to kill someone. Nobody should be punished for being stupid.
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Wrong. When you endanger others by being stupid, you should be punished.
Do you even know the definition of stupid?
Stupid is knowing better, then doing it anyway.
 
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