Finally the Courts Give Meaning to the 10th Amendment

I wonder if Stringfield would also say "gaggle of dogs"?

Hmm. Probably. what a maroon.


You are just repeating yourself as you get more and more desperate. I have already addressed this. No, I would not use it because that is not the common term for a group of dogs. But gaggle just means group.

So is a group of geese a gaggle or a flock?

gag·gle (ggl)
n.
1. A flock of geese. See Synonyms at flock1.
2. A cluster or group: "A gaggle of photographers huddled on the sidewalk beside a swelling crowd of onlookers" (Gioia Diliberto).

I previoulsy posted the definition of flock, which just means group and is synnonymous with all the other words that mean group.
 
Let me help you with some analogous examples....

Let's say you wanted to pass some harsh law against assault perpetrated on gay people, but the populace is not interested in making assault on gay people punishable by the death penalty, as you desire.... What do you do? Well, you proceed to try and CHANGE the definition of "Murder" so that it includes the assault of a gay person! Your reasoning is, there is already laws allowing the death penalty for 'murder' on the books, so you can obtain your desired result by simply CHANGING what "murder" has traditionally meant.

This sort of gerrymandering of words to suit your intentions or desires, is not going to fly. Marriage means what marriage means! What marriage has always meant! You can't "redefine" marriage so that something you desire can be enabled without changing the laws. That's a completely absurd assault on our rule of law, on our freedom to establish laws, and on the will of the people in general. It is honestly something HITLER might have pulled!

Stupid analogy. I am arguing for EQUAL protection of the laws and due process. Your analogy would violate that. A better analogy... you argue that lynching black people was not traditionally punished in Alabama, so it cannot be murder.

Why don't you focus on trying to tell us how it is that Lawrence did not lead to overturning laws against incest, stat rape or bestiality.
 
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its arbitrary. Arbitrary, yet specific. this is how words are.

It's just arbitrary. Flock commonly refers to a group of birds, sheep or people. How is that specific?

Do you understand "suck a fat cock"?

You should just keep hitting on sm and Dixie, as they've already said they would prefer men if society had not told them they should not. Take em out to SF, get a hotel in the Castro and the three of you can go to town on each other.

Your sig....

"Men think in herds, go mad in herds, but recover their senses one by one." -- Charles Mackay

LOL
 
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Stupid analogy. I am arguing for EQUAL protection of the laws and due process.

Well then you are IGNORANT, because the definition of marriage is the union of a man and woman, the LAW is applied equally now! Homosexual people have not been denied the right to obtain a marriage license, (which is for the union of a man and woman.) They are as free to do that as anyone else! There is NO discrimination!

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The analogy is totally valid, and it illustrates the absolute absurdity of exactly what you are attempting to do here! Your alternate analogy is not worthy of my time to comment on.

Why don't you focus on trying to tell us how it is that Lawrence did not lead to overturning laws against incest, stat rape or bestiality.

I already explained it... you need a second dose? Okay... Lawrence dealt with the right of consenting adults to engage in sexual acts within the privacy of their own home. It had nothing to do with state interests. I think you made that point yourself, but maybe you don't comprehend what it means? The State has no compelling interest in what goes on in your bedroom, if you are of legal age. Now this might be of usage in this Gay Marriage argument, IF we were discussing that aspect, but it isn't what I am opposed to. I support the decision and finding of the court in Lawrence, and I don't see why you presume it would have 'led to' overturning laws against acts of a criminal sexual nature, it makes no sense to me... but whatever! It still doesn't have anything to do with the ISSUE AT HAND!

I am convinced, you are completely missing MY point and argument. This is NOT about the deviate sex! It is about the state granting a license for marriage to people who are not traditionally marrying, but rather, joining in a 'same-sex union' because of their sexual behaviors. We can't start redefining words to include things that were never intended when the definitions and guidelines were made. That is called 'circumventing' the process, making the law in a way that is not conducive with our founding principles, or the principles of freedom and liberty. They aren't even in accordance with common sense!

The consequence of what you are trying to do, will cause a litany of debate over other sexually deviate lifestyles, because you will have the legal precedent of establishing 'marriage' based on sexuality, and not on the 'traditional' criteria and definition that has always been used. Where we now have a construct which is based on the benign concepts of male/female unions for the purpose of wedlock and procreation and family... we would change that to having a state sanctioning of sexual deviate behaviors, ordained and legitimized through perversion of marriage because you've established this as the criteria for marriage. Granted, many things are still illegal, and wouldn't be considered, but laws can be changed, advocacy groups can make the arguments, and demand their 'rights' be recognized, because you've paved the way... you've blazed the trail! You have established that the government is obligated to recognize the deviate sexuality of the individual, when issuing licenses.

First up.... Polygamists... Now, I will bet you that RStringy probably has no problems whatsoever, with a man getting married to THREE women, more power to him, right? We can't possibly deny this individual the "right" to experience his true love(s)... what? You want to make him choose? It's not FAIRRRR! He should get to love them all equally! Who are WE to deny them happiness? As long as all parties are consenting adults, right? ...So we see, this road we're heading down will most quickly lead us to this... but there will be more to come...

Imagine an aged Geraldo... Like a Larry King... interviewing an older man and his boy lover... suing California for the right to get 'married' !!! See... it's a big debate now, from the NAMBLA people, they argue that it's against their "right to sexuality" to deny them access to young boys... 18 is FAR too old for them, the boys are grown men by then.... They are being denied their happiness and love because of your antiquated moral code! And if we've allowed homosexuals and polygamists to realize their true love, who are we to deny these arrangements? Consent? The young boys consent, in fact Geraldo asks him specifically about it, and the boy says that he would have sex with men no matter what the law said, he liked doing it. Yeah, I know... hard to wrap your little pinhead brain around, ain't it? But this is coming, as soon as YOU get brilliant and redefine "marriages" based on sexual behavior, and establish it into law.
 
Well then you are IGNORANT, because the definition of marriage is the union of a man and woman, the LAW is applied equally now! Homosexual people have not been denied the right to obtain a marriage license, (which is for the union of a man and woman.) They are as free to do that as anyone else! There is NO discrimination!



The analogy is totally valid, and it illustrates the absolute absurdity of exactly what you are attempting to do here! Your alternate analogy is not worthy of my time to comment on.



I already explained it... you need a second dose? Okay... Lawrence dealt with the right of consenting adults to engage in sexual acts within the privacy of their own home. It had nothing to do with state interests. I think you made that point yourself, but maybe you don't comprehend what it means? The State has no compelling interest in what goes on in your bedroom, if you are of legal age. Now this might be of usage in this Gay Marriage argument, IF we were discussing that aspect, but it isn't what I am opposed to. I support the decision and finding of the court in Lawrence, and I don't see why you presume it would have 'led to' overturning laws against acts of a criminal sexual nature, it makes no sense to me... but whatever! It still doesn't have anything to do with the ISSUE AT HAND!

I am convinced, you are completely missing MY point and argument. This is NOT about the deviate sex! It is about the state granting a license for marriage to people who are not traditionally marrying, but rather, joining in a 'same-sex union' because of their sexual behaviors. We can't start redefining words to include things that were never intended when the definitions and guidelines were made. That is called 'circumventing' the process, making the law in a way that is not conducive with our founding principles, or the principles of freedom and liberty. They aren't even in accordance with common sense!

The consequence of what you are trying to do, will cause a litany of debate over other sexually deviate lifestyles, because you will have the legal precedent of establishing 'marriage' based on sexuality, and not on the 'traditional' criteria and definition that has always been used. Where we now have a construct which is based on the benign concepts of male/female unions for the purpose of wedlock and procreation and family... we would change that to having a state sanctioning of sexual deviate behaviors, ordained and legitimized through perversion of marriage because you've established this as the criteria for marriage. Granted, many things are still illegal, and wouldn't be considered, but laws can be changed, advocacy groups can make the arguments, and demand their 'rights' be recognized, because you've paved the way... you've blazed the trail! You have established that the government is obligated to recognize the deviate sexuality of the individual, when issuing licenses.

First up.... Polygamists... Now, I will bet you that RStringy probably has no problems whatsoever, with a man getting married to THREE women, more power to him, right? We can't possibly deny this individual the "right" to experience his true love(s)... what? You want to make him choose? It's not FAIRRRR! He should get to love them all equally! Who are WE to deny them happiness? As long as all parties are consenting adults, right? ...So we see, this road we're heading down will most quickly lead us to this... but there will be more to come...

Imagine an aged Geraldo... Like a Larry King... interviewing an older man and his boy lover... suing California for the right to get 'married' !!! See... it's a big debate now, from the NAMBLA people, they argue that it's against their "right to sexuality" to deny them access to young boys... 18 is FAR too old for them, the boys are grown men by then.... They are being denied their happiness and love because of your antiquated moral code! And if we've allowed homosexuals and polygamists to realize their true love, who are we to deny these arrangements? Consent? The young boys consent, in fact Geraldo asks him specifically about it, and the boy says that he would have sex with men no matter what the law said, he liked doing it. Yeah, I know... hard to wrap your little pinhead brain around, ain't it? But this is coming, as soon as YOU get brilliant and redefine "marriages" based on sexual behavior, and establish it into law.

Dixie sure seems obsessed with sexual situations that have nothing to do with consenting adults.
Coupled with the anger that he's exhibitied lately, I'm becoming concerned that he may be hiding something and that's whats driving his angst and confusion.

It could very well be, that we've opened a door that we can't close.

This does not bode well and is probably going to have a very ugly end.

It's either that or Dixie's boy friend keeps pressuring him to get married and the only fall back Dixie has, is that same sex marriages aren't legal and he's afraid that if society begins to recognize them; then he'll have no way to keep saying no.
 
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And I'm proud to be an American,
where at least I know I'm free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.

And I gladly stand up,
next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land,
God bless the USA.
 
I posted this at 12:49:
Dixie sure seems obsessed with sexual situations that have nothing to do with consenting adults.
Coupled with the anger that he's exhibitied lately, I'm becoming concerned that he may be hiding something and that's whats driving his angst and confusion.

It could very well be, that we've opened a door that we can't close.

This does not bode well and is probably going to have a very ugly end.

It's either that or Dixie's boy friend keeps pressuring him to get married and the only fall back Dixie has, is that same sex marriages aren't legal and he's afraid that if society begins to recognize them; then he'll have no way to keep saying no.

And 10 minutes later, Dixie posted this at 12:59
And I'm proud to be an American,
where at least I know I'm free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.

And I gladly stand up,
next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land,
God bless the USA.

And yet he said I wasn't going to communicate with him anymore.
But in Dixie speak, he was trying to say that he wasn't going to post to me anymore.

Dixie lies and then he cries. :good4u:
Me thinks he doth protest to much.
 
I posted this at 12:49:
Dixie sure seems obsessed with sexual situations that have nothing to do with consenting adults.
Coupled with the anger that he's exhibitied lately, I'm becoming concerned that he may be hiding something and that's whats driving his angst and confusion.

It could very well be, that we've opened a door that we can't close.

This does not bode well and is probably going to have a very ugly end.

It's either that or Dixie's boy friend keeps pressuring him to get married and the only fall back Dixie has, is that same sex marriages aren't legal and he's afraid that if society begins to recognize them; then he'll have no way to keep saying no.

And 10 minutes later, Dixie posted this at 12:59
And I'm proud to be an American,
where at least I know I'm free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.

And I gladly stand up,
next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land,
God bless the USA.

And then, my post at 1:20
USFREEDOM911 said:
And yet he said I wasn't going to communicate with him anymore.
But in Dixie speak, he was trying to say that he wasn't going to post to me anymore.

Dixie lies and then he cries. :good4u:
Me thinks he doth protest to much.

And then he posts this one at 1:34
Aww...... You're a moron! You're a loser! You are a LIAR! ....Buh-bye!

I'm beginning to believe that Dixie, who didn't want any more to do with me, is infatuated with me.
This is slightly disturbing and exciting, at the same time. :cof1:
 
Well then you are IGNORANT, because the definition of marriage is the union of a man and woman, the LAW is applied equally now! Homosexual people have not been denied the right to obtain a marriage license, (which is for the union of a man and woman.) They are as free to do that as anyone else! There is NO discrimination!

nAHZi, playing the part of my bitch, and I have already shown that is not the definition of marriage. Again, the equal application argument was rejected in Loving, a fact you continue to ignore or just lie about (Ditzy will claim that had to with the CRA of 64 once, again, which I have pointed out numerous was not a part of the decision).


The analogy is totally valid, and it illustrates the absolute absurdity of exactly what you are attempting to do here! Your alternate analogy is not worthy of my time to comment on.

Yes, facts are not worthy of your attention when you can just make shit up to support your argument, which have no connection with reality.

I already explained it... you need a second dose? Okay... Lawrence dealt with the right of consenting adults to engage in sexual acts within the privacy of their own home. It had nothing to do with state interests. I think you made that point yourself, but maybe you don't comprehend what it means? The State has no compelling interest in what goes on in your bedroom, if you are of legal age. Now this might be of usage in this Gay Marriage argument, IF we were discussing that aspect, but it isn't what I am opposed to. I support the decision and finding of the court in Lawrence, and I don't see why you presume it would have 'led to' overturning laws against acts of a criminal sexual nature, it makes no sense to me... but whatever! It still doesn't have anything to do with the ISSUE AT HAND!

Your argument has been that overturning prohibitions on gay marriage, under the 14th, must lead to overturning prohibition on underage, incest or marriages to mailboxes and animals. But it will not for the same reasons you just acknowledged Lawrence has not led to overturning laws.

You once again, misrepresent the facts in order to make your argument. Lawrence was decided on 14th amendment grounds not 4th. Lawrence had little to do with just privacy of the home, because the cops entered the home with probable cause and the entry was not challenged under illegal search. Now you will probably twist this into a straw man where you claim I am arguing they would be free to have sex in public. No, there is no right to privacy in public, but neither can a right to privacy be defense if the cops have probable cause to enter.

I am convinced, you are completely missing MY point and argument. This is NOT about the deviate sex! It is about the state granting a license for marriage to people who are not traditionally marrying, but rather, joining in a 'same-sex union' because of their sexual behaviors. We can't start redefining words to include things that were never intended when the definitions and guidelines were made. That is called 'circumventing' the process, making the law in a way that is not conducive with our founding principles, or the principles of freedom and liberty. They aren't even in accordance with common sense!

I do not yet know what your point is TODAY, but I am sure it will change. Your points from before are what I am addressing.

And with the rest you return to those points and your non-sequitur. The non-sequitur is disproven by Lawrence and your own acknowledgment that the 14th does not protect a right to predation on children. It does not protect a right to incest either, where there is a legitimate state interest in protecting the possible consequences of that to potential offspring.
 
Would you say "gaggle of dogs", stringfield? be honest.

I already answered, several times now. If you have a problem with the answer, that raises something new or can display that I have overlooked something or I am misrepresenting something (as Ditzy does in his non-responsive responses to the Lawrence case and how that affects his non-sequitur), then we can move forward. Otherwise, you are just wasting my time.
 
I already answered, several times now. If you have a problem with the answer, that raises something new or can display that I have overlooked something or I am misrepresenting something (as Ditzy does in his non-responsive responses to the Lawrence case and how that affects his non-sequitur), then we can move forward. Otherwise, you are just wasting my time.

this is the first i ever asked you about "gaggle of dogs".

If you would say "gaggle of dogs", you're a moron that has no business telling people how words work.

Words can contain large amounts of specifity, they can specify actors or qualifications for inclusion or participation in the union described.

the government may support this institution in policy, but has no right or authority to change what the word means. You're only recourse is civil unions, without being a revisionist, language mangling, dishonest asswad.
 
I would, AssHat. Your a$$ has been licked then kicked by a gaggle of dogs, a plethora of times it was also raped by a murder of sheep.
 
Your argument has been that overturning prohibitions on gay marriage, under the 14th, must lead to overturning prohibition on underage, incest or marriages to mailboxes and animals. But it will not for the same reasons you just acknowledged Lawrence has not led to overturning laws.

No, that's what you THINK my argument has been, but you are MISTAKEN!

There is no "prohibition" on any kind of marriage, there is a definition of marriage, and some things fit the criteria while others don't. You're kinda fucked in the head when it comes to words and how they are used.

Presently, marriage is defined as the union of a man and woman. Several other criteria for marriage may also apply, the man and woman must be of legal age, they can't be too closely related, they can't be already married to someone else, and they have to be alive. It is not discrimination to refuse issuance of a marriage license if any of these criteria are not met, it is just how we've defined marriage. There is no caveat that someone has to be heterosexual, or can't be homosexual... if that were the case, I would side with you in having that overturned. I don't believe marriage should be based on sexuality... just one man/ one woman, as it has been traditionally understood.

You argue for a redefinition of marriage, to accommodate a sexual lifestyle. However, the 14th stipulates, if you extend special considerations to one group of people, it must be equally applied to all groups on the same basis. If marriage is changed to become based on sexuality, then you open the door for other sexuality to be equally considered. Granted, you are correct about illegal acts, they are still illegal for now, and wouldn't be considered. Like I said, first up will be the Polygamists... I notice you had no comment on whether you would support Polygamist Marriage... My guess is, you wouldn't have a problem with it... and my guess is, as time progressed on, and other sex nuts came out of the woodwork to "demand dey rights" ...you'd be right there arguing their case, because you want to redefine marriage to accommodate sexual lifestyles, and as long as you can't see a victim, you believe they should be able to pervert marriage in any way they see fit.
 
you WOULD NOT say gaggle of dogs. Stop being a butt.

I just did. And yeah, I would. Like I would say things like, "Let's went!" (instead of "Let's go!"), or eleventy-billion rather than a real number, or a "grip of shoes" when I am looking at my wife's closet....

Seriously, you are being inane. It is something that I would say when I wanted to make a humorous point, just like a murder of Asshats or a herd of lions...

It is something that I now plan on working into conversation often, just to make people say, "Huh?" and then chuckle slightly.
 
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