APP - FINALLY!

Is there anyone else here who realizes that the word "audit" doesn't necessarily, or even usually, mean "IRS targeting an entity in the attempt to find or manufacture a misstep in that entity's finances"?

I have real problems with this bill, but the word "audit" is not one of them.

Ice Dancer said:
Here is a link to the the most egregious portions of the Health Care bill H.R. 3200. On this page is also a direct link to the entire bill.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/walnut-ridge-ar/TTPG4LRBUTDT15K2R



BELOW IS A SAMPLING

Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits u get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans.#AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed
-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/#AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.
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Fifteen pages of the right wing social darwinist cheap labor conservative republicans arguing against something that any modern society should take for granted as a right and not a privilege. Just too much. Some may have left the cave but the cave is still in them.

"Of all forms of government and society, those of free men and women are in many respects the most brittle. They give the fullest freedom for activities of private persons and groups who often identify their own interests, essentially selfish, with the general welfare." Dorothy Thompson


http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=action.display&item=HC09-main
http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/06/truth-telling-and-responsibility-in-health-care/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-nejfelt/christians-weigh-in-on-he_b_250332.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-warmowski/christians-please-report_b_246730.html
 
egordon0315 said:
Is there anyone else here who realizes that the word "audit" doesn't necessarily, or even usually, mean "IRS targeting an entity in the attempt to find or manufacture a misstep in that entity's finances"?

I have real problems with this bill, but the word "audit" is not one of them.
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I just watched an incredible segment on Bill Moyer's Journal. Money Driven Medicine

I think you will find it informative. Bill Moyer, I believe is still one of the few investigative journalist we have on TV.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html
 
froggie said:
I just watched an incredible segment on Bill Moyer's Journal. Money Driven Medicine

I think you will find it informative. Bill Moyer, I believe is still one of the few investigative journalist we have on TV.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html
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More and more, the evidence piles up....and the neocons and naysayers tighten their blinders and repeat their mantras louder. Like I said, they vote against their own best interests, and as long as they got theirs they really don't give a damn about anyone else....but they damn sure want all the little things in life to keep going and not be interrupted (coffee shop, shoe repair, etc.).
 
PostmodernProphet said:
calling your 'evidence' a pile is certainly appropriate.....
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Hey, our evidence doesn't have piles, the neoconservative side has piles!

did you watch the segment, it is very good and I am also going to check out the Darthmoth study myself, ain't I smart
 
froggie said:
Hey, our evidence doesn't have piles, the neoconservative side has piles!

did you watch the segment, it is very good and I am also going to check out the Darthmoth study myself, ain't I smart
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That's all they've got....snarls and barks with little to no substance behind them besides repeating their long disproved talking points. Hey, they've got theirs, to hell with everyone else.
 
Taichiliberal said:
That's all they've got....snarls and barks with little to no substance behind them besides repeating their long disproved talking points. Hey, they've got theirs, to hell with everyone else.
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It is why we need to keep slaying the dragons, my friend!
 
froggie said:
I just watched an incredible segment on Bill Moyer's Journal. Money Driven Medicine

I think you will find it informative. Bill Moyer, I believe is still one of the few investigative journalist we have on TV.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html
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I watched it and he did a fantastic job. How could anybody argue about the facts when actual people are giving their stories about their problems. I'm guessing the majority has had "issues" with the system whether they're insured or not, or whether the problems have been major or minor.
 
egordon0315 said:
Is there anyone else here who realizes that the word "audit" doesn't necessarily, or even usually, mean "IRS targeting an entity in the attempt to find or manufacture a misstep in that entity's finances"?

I have real problems with this bill, but the word "audit" is not one of them.
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Who said it meant the IRS would be conducting the audits??? In fact the problem with the bill is that is is mostly unclear and ambiguous.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Who said it meant the IRS would be conducting the audits??? In fact the problem with the bill is that is is mostly unclear and ambiguous.
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Oh, I'm sure they wouldn't use the IRS, they'd make a whole new government entity with the power and authority to force compliance. Why use something that exists? It doesn't help to grow the government that way!
 
Damocles said:
Oh, I'm sure they wouldn't use the IRS, they'd make a whole new government entity with the power and authority to force compliance. Why use something that exists? It doesn't help to grow the government that way!
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WOW! Another opportunity for new czar position!
 
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