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WinterBorn said:
It helps when the 12th man is the ref.

Ejecting HaHa Dix for a BOGUS targeting call?? It wasn't even pass interference!!
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I hated that call. My wife and I were both talking to the TV when that happened.

After Bama caught up I was pretty confident in them. Don't get me wrong, I want Bama to lose sometime this year (sorry WB ;)) just to get some new blood into the BCS title game, I just didn't want A & M to beat them.
 
WinterBorn said:
It helps when the 12th man is the ref.

Ejecting HaHa Dix for a BOGUS targeting call?? It wasn't even pass interference!!
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Like bullshit. The guys on the field had that right! The reply definitely showed him lead with his head into the receivers helmet. Their argument...he had his hands up to catch the ball! Bullshit, he threw his hands up to fake it at the last second. His hands weren't even oriented in the direction the ball was thrown and, if you look at the play real close, the DB had his eyes closed before he made contact. That was a bonehead call by the replay booth. They need to make up their mind are they going to be serious about protecting players against concussions or not? There are more important things than winning a game, like keeping young men from getting brain damage. This is a good rule, the guys on the field got it right and the guys in the booth undermined a very important safety precaution. It was unconscionable of them and they should be ashamed of themselves.

I have no doubt what happened in the replay booth. They were pressured to reverse the call on the field out of fear that Bama would lose a competitive advantage and that A&M would have gained one. That shouldn't have even been a consideration. Safety first!
 
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leaningright said:
I hated that call. My wife and I were both talking to the TV when that happened.

After Bama caught up I was pretty confident in them. Don't get me wrong, I want Bama to lose sometime this year (sorry WB ;)) just to get some new blood into the BCS title game, I just didn't want A & M to beat them.
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I don't. I think it's the most important new safety precaution implemented in college football in many years. It's a damned good rule, the call on the field should have stood and the guys in the replay booth affectively undermined the call and made a mockery of the rule in the process. If you overturn the ejection because replay shows he didn't lead with his head then why do you still get a 15 yard penalty? That doesn't make sense. What also doesn't make sense is that his phony (IMHO) attempt to catch the ball is irrelevant. If you lead with your head and hit the receive in the head....you're out of the game! Replay after replay clearly showed he led with his head and his lame attempt to appear as if he was going for the ball should be completely irrelevant. The only question that should be asked was "did he lead with his head when hit the receiver in the head? If the answer is "yes" then you're out of the game. Replay after replay clearly showed he led with his head. It was simply unconscionable of the replay booth to overturn that call. They should be ashamed of themselves. Apparently they don't take safety seriously and that upsets me.

This would have been a wonderful opportunity to show that the NCAA takes the brain injury issue seriously and they blew, for no good justifiable reason, one of the most primary fundamental precepts of enforcing safety rules, ruthless and consistent enforcement with absolutely no regard for any "mitigating circumstances". Safety comes first. PERIOD! Cause when it comes to safety there are no mitigating circumstances.

Any one who has ever worked as a safety professional knows this.
 
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Threedee said:
A betting man would pick the NCAA to not get it right, no matter how simple or how complex the matter. :cof1:
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Aint that the freaken truth. When I first heard this rule that was kind of my thinking. I was thinking. This will get players to change their behavior on the field to understand that under any circumstances, leading with your head and making head to head contact will not be tolerated. The result will be ejection from the game. A few kids get tossed from the game and players will change their behavior. For that to happen the rule needs the complete backing of management (in this case the NCAA) and it must be enforced consistently. That's how changing safety behavior works. It's a fundamental principle in safety management. Anyone who has ever worked in safety in industry knows this most basic principle. So when I heard of the new rule I was glad and thought it a good rule but as you correctly pointed out...I also though "How will the NCAA manage to screw this up too?" LOL
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Like $&@#%^. The guys on the field had that right! The reply definitely showed him lead with his head into the receivers helmet. Their argument...he had his hands up to catch the ball! @&$#%^, he threw his hands up to fake it at the last second. His hands weren't even oriented in the direction the ball was thrown and, if you look at the play real close, the DB had his eyes closed before he made contact. That was a bonehead call by the replay booth. They need to make up their mind are they going to be serious about protecting players against concussions or not? There are more important things than winning a game, like keeping young men from getting brain damage. This is a good rule, the guys on the field got it right and the guys in the booth undermined a very important safety precaution. It was unconscionable of them and they should be ashamed of themselves.

I have no doubt what happened in the replay booth. They were pressured to reverse the call on the field out of fear that Bama would lose a competitive advantage and that A&M would have gained one. That shouldn't have even been a consideration. Safety first!
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You must have been watching a completely different game than I was watching. And that last paragraph is just silly.
 
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leaningright said:
You must have been watching a completely different game than I was watching. And that last paragraph is just silly.
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No kidding! There was no way Dix was leading with his head. He was going for the ball. In fact, I'm pretty sure his shoulder pads hit the receiver first. It wasn't even pass interference, much less targeting!
 
leaningright said:
You must have been watching a completely different game than I was watching. And that last paragraph is just silly.
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I don't. I've been involved in safety management for far to long. I mean I'm not going to get into hair splitting about "targeting" it's dumb. Intent should be utterly irrelevant. Maybe it wasn't a good idea to put the player ejection clause into the rule. That obviously doesn't have management buy in and without buy in by management no safety rule can be affectively and consistently enforced. I can buy those arguments but to undermine their own rule on safety by splitting hairs on "targeting" is indicative that they just simply don't get it or that the talk about protecting players from brain injuries is just that. Talk.

I've worked in safety management for to long to agree with what the replay booth did. It was indefensible and unconscionable and when it comes to safety....they clearly don't get it.
 
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WinterBorn said:

It shows it clearly at the 0:36 mark. Dix hit him with his shoulder pad, NOT his helmet.
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It shows clearly that Dix hit him in the head, contact with the shoulder pads was made but you're blind if you didn't see the head to head contact.

Stand back and think objectively WB. Don't think as an Bama fan or even a football fan. I'd have the same feelings if it had been called on an OSU player. I know you've worked with industrial safety and you know that I am right. The rule may be a flawed rule but what the replay booth did to undermine that rule made absolutely no sense. It may have been a tough break for Bama but it would have sent a very clear message. Head to head contact won't be tolerated. You know as well as I do that what the replay booth did was completely inappropriate from a safety management standpoint.

I mean think about it. If it wasn't targeting and their wasn't head to head contact then why would you still enforce a 15 yard penalty but overturn the ejection? It makes no sense to make that kind of decision. They should have enforced the rule and at the appropriate time revise it. To permit the replay booth to make the decision that they did was unconscionable and violates the basic fundamentals of safety management. Clearly player safety is just talk by the NCAA or they wouldn't do stupid shit like this.
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
It shows clearly that Dix hit him in the head, contact with the shoulder pads was made but you're blind if you didn't see the head to head contact.

Stand back and think objectively WB. Don't think as an Bama fan or even a football fan. I'd have the same feelings if it had been called on an OSU player. I know you've worked with industrial safety and you know that I am right. The rule may be a flawed rule but what the replay booth did to undermine that rule made absolutely no sense. It may have been a tough break for Bama but it would have sent a very clear message. Head to head contact won't be tolerated. You know as well as I do that what the replay booth did was completely inappropriate from a safety management standpoint.

I mean think about it. If it wasn't targeting and their wasn't head to head contact then why would you still enforce a 15 yard penalty but overturn the ejection? It makes no sense to make that kind of decision. They should have enforced the rule and at the appropriate time revise it. To permit the replay booth to make the decision that they did was unconscionable and violates the basic fundamentals of safety management. Clearly player safety is just talk by the NCAA or they wouldn't do stupid shit like this.
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As I understand it, the replay booth can overturn the ejection but not the penalty or something (they were explaining it as it happened)

Did the helmets make contact? Yes, they probably did. But that is absolutely not what the rule is about. If we eject a player every time helmets make contact, we need more players because we'll lose a defender every play.

Yes I worked in industrial safety. From that standpoint the best thing I could do is stop the game from being played.

I can look at this objectively. If a Bama player had targeted an A&M player I would WANT him ejected. But this was not even pass interference.
 
The Dude said:
It's starting to morph into
No blowing guys up rule!
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Agreed but that's not my point. I think the rule should be 15 yards and loss of down and replay officials cannot turn reverse it. That would get their attention and change behavior. Again, besides the point. Permitting replay officials to over turn a safety rule is the height of stupidity.
 
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