FNC's Ratings Continue to Climb, MSNBC's and Olbermann's Fall

red states rule said:
It is fun watching liberals spin how their liberal outlets tank in the ratings (much like Obama's approval numbers) and try and deny how more people want more balance in their news
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You've gotta trust me on this; it's much more fun watching conservatives try to spin TV ratings into something meaningful, because they are in the minority politically.

I mean, "Daisy of Love" does pretty well for its timeslot...what does that tell us?
 
red states rule said:
You remind me of my liberal co worker who ssaid CNN had more viewers the Fox News. When I showed him the ratings he walked away shaking his head

I also showed the 25-54 demograohic and Fox rules that one as well
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And I just proved two things here. One is that CNN has more overall cumulative viewers than Fox and two you don't understand statistics or how to interpret data.
 
Darla said:
I understand what you wrote and it was an interesting explanation. But what I can't figure out is; why would anyone care? What is all of the excitement about? Are news channels like sports teams now? I am clueless about this stuff. Do men sit around now with CNN or FOX News shirts and caps on backwards, and if CNN performs badly one night, they throw their CNN hats against the wall and scream about bad trades while the guy with the FOX news shirt screams 'WE'RE NUMBER ONE!"? Is there beer involved?

This is all very mysterious to me.
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Well you do have a very good point. I don't watch a whole lot of TV either. My interest here is in refuting what was obviously a false and misleading claim by RSR.
 
red states rule said:
Yea, if it was not for those pesky ratings you might have a case :)
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Oh yea, btw, you failed to comment on how network news dominates fox news by 20 to 1 in average viewer ship or the fact that CNN generates several hundred million more in ad revenue and has substantially larger advertising rates then Fox. Why is that?

Look, the main point I'm making here is that mainstream objective journalism will always, cumulatively, win out over right wing propaganda and the numbers prove that conclusively. Those who prefer right wing propaganda over the news are still a small minority of overall television viewership.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh yea, btw, you failed to comment on how network news dominates fox news by 20 to 1 in average viewer ship or the fact that CNN generates several hundred million more in ad revenue and has substantially larger advertising rates then Fox. Why is that?

Look, the main point I'm making here is that mainstream objective journalism will always, cumulatively, win out over right wing propaganda and the numbers prove that conclusively. Those who prefer right wing propaganda over the news are still a small minority of overall television viewership.
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Network news and cable news are different things. Like my liberal co worker, I kow I have you beat in this discussion when you fall back on that itred argument

If liberal news is so great, why is the network of Keith, Chris, and Ed Schultz tanking and Fox News destrys them?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Ya'll never had any statistics class have you?

Fox is the leader in "Cable" news in "average viewer ship". They sill lag significantly behind CNN in cumulative viewer ship. That is to say on a typical heavy viewing day Fox will see an average viewer ship of around 3 million viewers to CNN's 2 million where as the cumulative viewer ship for CNN is significantly higher for CNN at around 100 million to Fox's 75 million viewers. What this data means is that CNN has more total viewers than Fox viewers who tune in for shorter periods of time to catch up on the news. Where as Fox viewers tend to linger longer watching editorials and personality driven programs, which explains Fox's higher average ratings.

Now to look at it from a popularity standpoint, the bottom line is the bottom line and the company that gets the most ad revenue is the one that's winning the ratings war. CNN is clearly winning that battle with Fox as they annually generate around $200 million a year more revenue than Fox and CNN's ad rates are around 40% higher than Fox.

Also, when it comes to key demographics CNN also clearly has the edge. There are essentially two kinds of advertisers. If your selling cold remedies, then your buying eyeballs. If your an image oriented product, say a BMW, A Lexus, an I-Phone then CNN is the clear winner in that demographic as CNN is light years ahead in objectivity and reporting compared to Fox's right wing propaganda driven programing.

Hell CNN even has an edge on Fox among conservatives which is Fox's core audience. A poll by the add agency Carat USA showed that in an average week 37% of viewers self identified as "very conservative" watched CNN where as only 32% watched Fox.

And that's just cable news! The differences are even more stark when you compare Fox to network news.

The O'Reilly factor is Fox's highest rated program receiving about 2 millions viewers a night where as the CBS evening news receives around 8 to 10 million viewer a night and among network news that is perceived as a ratings disaster. Fox's flagship news program "Special Report with Brit Hume" receives about 1 million viewers on a good night. That's a few thousand more than New York's local news broadcast on WNBC.

When you compare the viewers for all three major network news program to Fox's most highest rated program on any given night the ratings show that the combined viewer ship for network news is 20 to 25 times higher than Fox's highest rated program. Now when you consider that 4 out of 5 households have access to cable programing it becomes abundantly clear that the vast majority of people prefer objective news reporting and journalism over Fox's right wing Goebbelesque propaganda model.
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I was going to say something .. but forgot what it was. :0)
 
WAIT .. I know what I was going to say ...

It amazes me how right-wingers rush to tout the ratings of Fox News as an example of the power of the right-wing .. but when others say how Fox is slanted towards the right-wing and isn't really news, they deny it.

Even further .. and more amazing .. how about the "ratings" that really count for something other than "gotcha" points .. like total number of votes?

Who won and is winning that ratings battle?

How about popularity ratings? How are republicans and the right-wing doing in that fight for the top?

These people are stupid.
 
blackascoal said:
WAIT .. I know what I was going to say ...

It amazes me how right-wingers rush to tout the ratings of Fox News as an example of the power of the right-wing .. but when others say how Fox is slanted towards the right-wing and isn't really news, they deny it.

Even further .. and more amazing .. how about the "ratings" that really count for something other than "gotcha" points .. like total number of votes?

Who won and is winning that ratings battle?

How about popularity ratings? How are republicans and the right-wing doing in that fight for the top?

These people are stupid.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_congressional_vote-901.html

given the Dems propensity to self-destruct.... the recent polls suggest the Reps are making up ground from the serious hole they dug.
 
red states rule said:
Maybe Chris Matthews can ask Obama for a bailout for MSNBC.


July Ratings: Fox News Beats MSNBC & CNN Combined in Total Day and Prime
Fox News Channel continued its cable news dominance in July not only beating CNN and MSNBC combined, but showing the most growth in the younger demo. In A25-54 viewers, FNC is up 48% in total day, and up 70% in primetime, compared to July '08.

FNC had 9 of the top 10 shows in cable news in Total Viewers and ranks as the third most-watched basic cable channel behind USA and TNT.

Cable news' #1 show for 104 consecutive months, "The O'Reilly Factor", is up 37% over July '08. "Glenn Beck Program" is up the most, up 120% over last year's 5pmET show. "On the Record with Greta Van Susteren" is up 60% and "Hannity" is up 41%.


- FNC's audience expanded in all categories during July 2009, besting CNN and MSNBC combined in viewership (for both Total Day and Prime) according to Nielsen Media Research.

- In the key 25-54 demographic, FNC posted the largest gains among all cable news networks in both Total Day and Prime Time – increasing an extraordinary 48% and 70% respectively when compared to July 2008.

- Among basic cable networks, FNC ranked third for the month in prime time viewership behind only USA Network and TNT, with CNN and MSNBC lagging behind at 15th and 26th, respectively, while continuing to battle each other for third place in cable news.

- FNC also secured nine out of the top 10 rated programs in cable news for the month based on total viewership. The O'Reilly Factor marked #1 for 104 consecutive months in July and led all programs with 3,075,000 viewers, ending the month up 37% over July 2008. Hannity was second, up 41%. Other notables include: On the Record with Greta Van Susteren (up 60%); Glenn Beck (up 120%); The FOX Report with Shepard Smith (up 36%)

- In the key 25-54 demographic, FNC expanded upon an already dominant lead in Prime Time averaging 530,000 viewers surging 70% compared with CNN's 377,000 (up 40%) and MSNBC's 252,000 (flat). In total day, FNC averaged 301,000 (up 48%) compared to CNN’s 231,000 (up 39%) and MSNBC's 143,000 (down 7%). Meanwhile, CNN’s latest failure in Prime Time, Campbell Brown, finished in fourth place in 25-54 behind FNC, HLN and MSNBC at 8:00pm ET.

- In Prime Time, FNC bested CNN and MSNBC combined with an average of 2,071,000 viewers (up 43%) during July 2009, compared with CNN's 1,127,000 (up 39%) and MSNBC’s 738,000 (up 24%). In total day, FNC also rated higher than the competition combined with 1,138,000 total viewers (up 36%) compared to CNN’s 723,000 (up 45%) and MSNBC's 396,000 (up 12%).

- All weekday programs on FNC between 6:00am and 12:00am posted double-digit ratings gains in both total viewers and in the key 25-54 demographic - led by noteworthy increases in the 25-54 demo by Glenn Beck (up 211%), The O'Reilly Factor (up 75%), Hannity (up 68%) and On the Record with Greta Van Susteren (up 79%).

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser...mbined_in_total_day_and_prime_122858.asp#more
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When I want news and political discussion, I can turn to PBS, NBC, CBS, ABC, Bloomberg, CNBC, as well as MSNBC and CNN. I must admit I do go to Fox, but only to pre-determine the garbage I'm going to see here the next day. That said, since I'm not limited to cable alone, the choices I have mentioned above have combined listenership many times that of Fox. For what reason must I limit myself to cable alone?
 
I used to watch O'Reilly pretty often, but haven't watched since the election. I think his 1st 3 "talking points" after the election had to do with Obama and his relationship with the dangerous far left, Obama and the dangerous far left agenda and how Obama plans to make America a dangerous far left country.

So, I stopped watching, and it's been pretty cool....
 
red states rule said:
Maybe Chris Matthews can ask Obama for a bailout for MSNBC.


July Ratings: Fox News Beats MSNBC & CNN Combined in Total Day and Prime
Fox News Channel continued its cable news dominance in July not only beating CNN and MSNBC combined, but showing the most growth in the younger demo. In A25-54 viewers, FNC is up 48% in total day, and up 70% in primetime, compared to July '08.

FNC had 9 of the top 10 shows in cable news in Total Viewers and ranks as the third most-watched basic cable channel behind USA and TNT.

Cable news' #1 show for 104 consecutive months, "The O'Reilly Factor", is up 37% over July '08. "Glenn Beck Program" is up the most, up 120% over last year's 5pmET show. "On the Record with Greta Van Susteren" is up 60% and "Hannity" is up 41%.


- FNC's audience expanded in all categories during July 2009, besting CNN and MSNBC combined in viewership (for both Total Day and Prime) according to Nielsen Media Research.

- In the key 25-54 demographic, FNC posted the largest gains among all cable news networks in both Total Day and Prime Time – increasing an extraordinary 48% and 70% respectively when compared to July 2008.

- Among basic cable networks, FNC ranked third for the month in prime time viewership behind only USA Network and TNT, with CNN and MSNBC lagging behind at 15th and 26th, respectively, while continuing to battle each other for third place in cable news.

- FNC also secured nine out of the top 10 rated programs in cable news for the month based on total viewership. The O'Reilly Factor marked #1 for 104 consecutive months in July and led all programs with 3,075,000 viewers, ending the month up 37% over July 2008. Hannity was second, up 41%. Other notables include: On the Record with Greta Van Susteren (up 60%); Glenn Beck (up 120%); The FOX Report with Shepard Smith (up 36%)

- In the key 25-54 demographic, FNC expanded upon an already dominant lead in Prime Time averaging 530,000 viewers surging 70% compared with CNN's 377,000 (up 40%) and MSNBC's 252,000 (flat). In total day, FNC averaged 301,000 (up 48%) compared to CNN’s 231,000 (up 39%) and MSNBC's 143,000 (down 7%). Meanwhile, CNN’s latest failure in Prime Time, Campbell Brown, finished in fourth place in 25-54 behind FNC, HLN and MSNBC at 8:00pm ET.

- In Prime Time, FNC bested CNN and MSNBC combined with an average of 2,071,000 viewers (up 43%) during July 2009, compared with CNN's 1,127,000 (up 39%) and MSNBC’s 738,000 (up 24%). In total day, FNC also rated higher than the competition combined with 1,138,000 total viewers (up 36%) compared to CNN’s 723,000 (up 45%) and MSNBC's 396,000 (up 12%).

- All weekday programs on FNC between 6:00am and 12:00am posted double-digit ratings gains in both total viewers and in the key 25-54 demographic - led by noteworthy increases in the 25-54 demo by Glenn Beck (up 211%), The O'Reilly Factor (up 75%), Hannity (up 68%) and On the Record with Greta Van Susteren (up 79%).

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser...mbined_in_total_day_and_prime_122858.asp#more
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It just further proves to me that American are being dumbed down and always move against those who look out for them.

this was being discussed in another thread, deer hunting with jesus!
 
Onceler said:
I used to watch O'Reilly pretty often, but haven't watched since the election. I think his 1st 3 "talking points" after the election had to do with Obama and his relationship with the dangerous far left, Obama and the dangerous far left agenda and how Obama plans to make America a dangerous far left country.

So, I stopped watching, and it's been pretty cool....
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I watched O'Reilly during my Miami days, he was obnoxious then, he's obnoxious now. I went out of my way to watch Fox on the night of the election. It was the most satisfying evening of entertainment since the tube was invented.
 
froggie said:
It just further proves to me that American are being dumbed down and always move against those who look out for them.

this was being discussed in another thread, deer hunting with jesus!
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Just who exactly is it that is 'looking out for them'???

The Dems??? Please tell me that isn't your answer.
 
Superfreak said:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_congressional_vote-901.html

given the Dems propensity to self-destruct.... the recent polls suggest the Reps are making up ground from the serious hole they dug.
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Interesting to note in your link is the fact that though the numbers are closer, the Republicans have shown little or no increase in popularity. I believe the Dem's lower number is a result of Dem voters dropping off in disappointment that their guys have failed to step up to the plate and act as though they won an election. Those voters would rather stay home than vote GOP. (I will be contributing to Baucus's opponent if he comes up in '10.) My GOP Congressman will never get my vote. He's in the pockets of coroporations like the rest of his gang.
 
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belme1201 said:
When I want news and political discussion, I can turn to PBS, NBC, CBS, ABC, Bloomberg, CNBC, as well as MSNBC and CNN. I must admit I do go to Fox, but only to pre-determine the garbage I'm going to see here the next day. That said, since I'm not limited to cable alone, the choices I have mentioned above have combined listenership many times that of Fox. For what reason must I limit myself to cable alone?
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No and it used to be that making the comparison of cable news with network news was not a fair comparison because a minority of homes received cable but now around 80 to 85% of American homes receive cable broadcast and so it does become a fair comparison between Fox and it's right wing propaganda against the major network news. When compared to the competition it is clear that Fox News is a niche market programing to right wing viewers but in over all numbers it does not even begin to compete with mainstream news/journalism found on the networks and cable.
 
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