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Don Quixote

Don Quixote

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not mine or theirs

so lets work on solutions while holding congress' and bho's feet to the fire

there is a lot of talent here, so write your congress critters and bho with solutions

practical solutions!
 
DonQuixote said:
not mine or theirs

so lets work on solutions while holding congress' and bho's feet to the fire

there is a lot of talent here, so write your congress critters and bho with solutions

practical solutions!
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I don't think that you understand their agenda. My solution is to adhere to the Constitution, and trim the Federal government down to its bare bones enumerated powers. Their agenda is to ignore the Constitution and to control as much of our lives as possible.
 
Southern Man said:
I don't think that you understand their agenda. My solution is to adhere to the Constitution, and trim the Federal government down to its bare bones enumerated powers. Their agenda is to ignore the Constitution and to control as much of our lives as possible.
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Would you change the Constitution to ban gay marriage?
 
Southern Man said:
I don't think that you understand their agenda. My solution is to adhere to the Constitution, and trim the Federal government down to its bare bones enumerated powers. Their agenda is to ignore the Constitution and to control as much of our lives as possible.
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i wonder what 'promote the general welfare' from the preamble means
 
DonQuixote said:
i wonder what 'promote the general welfare' from the preamble means
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Before you read Federalist #45 I suggest that you read the Constitution Article I, Clause 8, Section 1:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
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Note that in context "general Welfare" is defined as "general Welfare of the United States", hence "the States" not "the People" or individuals, and the context further describes that the costs for such "Welfare" "shall be uniform throughout the United States", hence borne by States equally, not People who happen to be better able to secure income.
 
TuTu Monroe said:
It means promote the building of roads, schools, police departments, fire departments, etc., NOT socialist entitlement programs.
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So it gives the federal government the power to build schools, police, and fire departments?

You are a fucking idiot. You don't even know what you're talking about, and you don't have any idea what the article is about. You just go with whatever interpretation closest matches your ideology, and, from your statement, it seems you don't even understand what that interpretation means.
 
The power is given to the states, dummy.

Watermark said:
So it gives the federal government the power to build schools, police, and fire departments?

You are a fucking idiot. You don't even know what you're talking about, and you don't have any idea what the article is about. You just go with whatever interpretation closest matches your ideology, and, from your statement, it seems you don't even understand what that interpretation means.
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TuTu Monroe said:
The power is given to the states, dummy.
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There is practically no limit on the powers of states in the core (excluding amendments) text of the constitution. They can establish as many "socialist welfare programs" as they want. That alone shows how little you know of what you're talking about.

The general welfare clause itself ONLY deals with the federal government. I don't even know how you could come up with an interpretation of the general welfare clause that allows a government to run schools but not feed the hungry, but then again, you don't seem to even understand any interpretation. For you, the constitution is merely a means to an end, and whether or not you are actually speaking truth is secondary to promoting the silly ideology you've been brainwashed with.
 
You really are a dummy.....and to think, you think you are God. Mentally, ill is more like it.:eek:

Watermark said:
There is practically no limit on the powers of states in the core (excluding amendments) text of the constitution. They can establish as many "socialist welfare programs" as they want. That alone shows how little you know of what you're talking about.

The general welfare clause itself ONLY deals with the federal government. I don't even know how you could come up with an interpretation of the general welfare clause that allows a government to run schools but not feed the hungry, but then again, you don't seem to even understand any interpretation. For you, the constitution is merely a means to an end, and whether or not you are actually speaking truth is secondary to promoting the silly ideology you've been brainwashed with.
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TuTu Monroe said:
You really are a dummy.....
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:clink: :clink: :clink: :clink: :clink:

More brilliant responses from TuTu Monroe! I am astonished by your level of cunning and wit. You've got me really pinned down here! I guess the general welfare clause was really about states only being able to run fire departments and not welfare programs after all!

TuTu Monroe said:
and to think, you think you are God.
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I don't THINK I'm God, I AM God.

TuTu Monroe said:
Mentally, ill is more like it.:eek:
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For some odd reason, you seem to be under the delusion that the two states are mutually exclusive.
 
Watermark said:
SMY, I know you're a hack, but even you can't pretend like she knows what she's talking about. The general welfare clause has nothing to do with state governments or fire departments vs. welfare.
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while you continue to ignore my libertarian status and refer to me as a 'hack', I'll continue to consider everyone on this board way more intelligent than you are.
 
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