For Military Retirees: Yes, you can fall under the UCMJ

[Dutch Uncle]

...STILL FAILING!!!

Agreed you are, son. No doubt you are a huge disappointment to those around you.

BTW, upon further review, it appears all those on a military pension or disability do lose their pay while in prison. LOL

https://benefits.va.gov/BENEFITS/factsheets/misc/JusticeInvolved.pdf
VA Disability Compensation Benefits
VA disability compensation payments are reduced if a Veteran is convicted of a felony
and imprisoned for more than 60 days....

VA Disability Pension Benefits
VA pension payments are discontinued, if a beneficiary is convicted of a felony
or misdemeanor effective the 61st day of imprisonment in a Federal, State, or
local penal institution. VA strongly encourages Veterans to notify VBA if they
become incarcerated to ensure benefits are reduced or discontinued if
necessary to avoid any possible overpayments.

 

[Street Glider]

Agreed you are, son. No doubt you are a huge disappointment to those around you.

You're too big a coward to post the entire quote.

You're such a goddamn pussy. You're no Vet...

BTW, upon further review, it appears all those on a military pension or disability do lose their pay while in prison. LOL

Keep laughing, Chuckles. I've never said anything different...

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You're too big a coward to post the entire quote.

You're such a goddamn pussy. You're no Vet...

Keep laughing, Chuckles. I've never said anything different...

Less angry, bitter and warped racists than yourself know they can follow the quote back to the full statement. Why should I bore people with your babbling bullshit, Petty Officer Steve?

You're free to display your anger and your hatred for others, but I see it as a sign of low-intelligence, low self-esteem and general unhappiness with your life. Sad.

Have you considered therapy? I'm certain NAS Jax has some groups for troubled sailors and retirees.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I didn't recall that the UCMJ didn't exist before 1951. Notice it's been changed a few times since.

https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/the-uniform-code-of-military-justice-ucmj.html
Congress created the UCMJ and periodically makes changes to it through legislation, usually as part of the National Defense Authorization Act or NDAA.

As constitutionally mandated, Congress creates the laws contained in the UCMJ. The president with the constitutional power of the execution and enforcement of those laws creates and maintains the Manual for Courts Martial or MCM, which contains the penalties for breaking any of the laws prescribed by Congress.

If a service member commits an offense that involves the civilian or international community, the military may choose to let civilian authorities handle the case. However, a military member may be tried for the same crime in both a civilian and military court under separate charges.

The UCMJ replaced regulations used by the US Army and US Navy that were not consistent. The Army prior to the UCMJ used the Articles of War as the equivalent. The US Navy version was commonly referred to as "Rocks and Shoals." This was the Articles for the Government of the United States Navy. These were superseded by the UCMJ in the early 50's.

The UCMJ, like its predecessors, is also applied differently depending on the rank of the accused.

 

[Walt]

They can only be charged under the UCMJ if they were in an active-duty status.

I believe you are wrong. You are subject to UCMJ if on active duty, inactive duty training, or the subject of a court-martial. So lets take three examples:
1) You are on active duty, and commit a crime, obviously you are covered under the UCMJ.
2) You are in the National Guard, but being trained by the Federal military, and commit a crime, you are again covered under the UCMJ. It is considered the same as active duty.
3) You get court-martialed and were ever in the military, well guess what, you are back in the military for the court-martial. A relatively common example is when you commit a crime in the military, but leave before you could be court-martialed.

 

[Walt]

You're such a goddamn pussy. You're no Vet...

You bought a burial display case to display a non-burial flag. I literally have never heard of such a severe case of stolen valor. I cannot imagine a veteran would do such a thing.

 

[Walt]

A word to the wise: Don't risk your veteran status or retirement by becoming an enemy of the Constitution.

It is not uncommon for someone to think he has a honorable discharge, when he does not have it yet. There is usually a period of "individual ready reserve" that goes on for a number of years. There is no need to muster, or do anything with the military, but they can be called up at a moments notice, and are still somewhat under the UCMJ.

Members of the individual ready reserve are required to keep the military up to date on their location, to respond to communications from the military, and keep themselves in ready physical shape. A violation of one of those can result in a court-martial.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I believe you are wrong. You are subject to UCMJ if on active duty, inactive duty training, or the subject of a court-martial. So lets take three examples:
1) You are on active duty, and commit a crime, obviously you are covered under the UCMJ.
2) You are in the National Guard, but being trained by the Federal military, and commit a crime, you are again covered under the UCMJ. It is considered the same as active duty.
3) You get court-martialed and were ever in the military, well guess what, you are back in the military for the court-martial. A relatively common example is when you commit a crime in the military, but leave before you could be court-martialed.

All three require orders placing you on active duty. The third case is a grey zone. If you were leaving the military for retirement versus leaving it with a change in status like going to IRR, versus you are being discharged without further service obligation, it becomes an 'It depends' situation. The military / government might find it easier to charge you as a civilian rather than as a member of the military.

 

[Walt]

All three require orders placing you on active duty.

Inactive duty training is almost the same thing as active duty as far as the UCMJ is concerned. You do not need to be active duty.

The military / government might find it easier to charge you as a civilian rather than as a member of the military.

That is the norm. That being said, if they find something in your discharge that was fraudulent, they have been known to drag you back into the service.

 

[Lightbringer]

For Military Retirees: Yes, you can fall under the UCMJ

You're a fuckwit, your own quote disputes this.

And J6 wasn't an insurrection. Why are you so comfortable letting nazis tell you what to think?

That's a rhetorical question, I already know why you're so comfortable with it.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It is not uncommon for someone to think he has a honorable discharge, when he does not have it yet. There is usually a period of "individual ready reserve" that goes on for a number of years. There is no need to muster, or do anything with the military, but they can be called up at a moments notice, and are still somewhat under the UCMJ.

Members of the individual ready reserve are required to keep the military up to date on their location, to respond to communications from the military, and keep themselves in ready physical shape. A violation of one of those can result in a court-martial.

Agreed. Sometimes those rules aren't enforced by allowing civil authorities to handle the case. For 1/6, White Supremacist Extremists/terrorists and other anti-American groups, our military might decide to make examples of all of them.

 

[Street Glider]

but I see it as a sign of low-intelligence, low self-esteem and general unhappiness with your life. Sad.

Says the guy who makes countless posts about me, searchews out old posts of mine to wh9ine about, and has only internet friends.

If my life is sad, yours must make you suicidal...

Have you considered therapy? I'm certain NAS Jax has some groups for troubled sailors and retirees.

No, but they do have a real nice commissary and Exchange...

 

[Matt Dillon]

A word to the wise: Don't risk your veteran status or retirement by becoming an enemy of the Constitution.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ary-retirees-under-the-ucmj-maybe-it-depends/

Another one:

https://www.jordanucmjlaw.com/2021/10/can-you-be-charged-under-the-ucmj-after-discharge/

For you PO1 Glider:

https://fedsoc.org/commentary/fedso...es-under-the-uniform-code-of-military-justice

Noodle penis says what?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Says the guy who makes countless posts about me, searchews out old posts of mine to wh9ine about, and has only internet friends.

If my life is sad, yours must make you suicidal...

No, but they do have a real nice commissary and Exchange...

Disagreed.

Not at the moment, although if I was diagnosed with something like ALS, dementia or some other terminal diseases, my Plan B is to disappear into the woods with a .45 and some really good drugs. You?

Yes, BTDT. I lived there from January 1986 to October 1989 before transferring to NAS Whiting Field. I saw the space shuttle Challenger blow up standing on a dock in the St. John's river and was attached to an HS squadron. One deployment to the Med from there, one mini-deployment down to South American.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You're so cute when you're angry and hungover.

 

[Matt Dillon]

A word to the wise: Don't risk your veteran status or retirement by becoming an enemy of the Constitution.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ary-retirees-under-the-ucmj-maybe-it-depends/

Another one:

https://www.jordanucmjlaw.com/2021/10/can-you-be-charged-under-the-ucmj-after-discharge/

You're so cute when you're angry and hungover.

Fuckin' tard.

 

[Street Glider]

You bought a burial display case to display a non-burial flag. I literally have never heard of such a severe case of stolen valor. I cannot imagine a veteran would do such a thing.

Yeah, because I'm going to do that to try to fool some retard on the internet.

Sorry, Rainman, but you're a retard...

 

[Street Glider]

Not at the moment, although if I was diagnosed with something like ALS, dementia or some other terminal diseases, my Plan B is to disappear into the woods with a .45 and some really good drugs.

Why wait?

Yes, BTDT. I lived there from January 1986 to October 1989 before transferring to NAS Whiting Field. I saw the space shuttle Challenger blow up standing on a dock in the St. John's river and was attached to an HS squadron. One deployment to the Med from there, one mini-deployment down to South American.

Liar. You've never served...

 

[Walt]

The Constitution carves out the military as a major exception to our freedoms. You are free from forced labor, except in the military. There was an acceptance that we needed a military that did not follow the standard rules of freedom, in order to protect our freedom.

On top of that, there was little concept of retirement until very recently. So it was a lifelong obligation.

That sense of duty is alien to many today, so we put it out of our mind, but it is floating out there. The grown ups among us know that.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Why wait?

Liar. You've never served...

Having too much fun.

You're free to lie, free to brag about being a racist US Navy Petty Officer and free to flash your ID around while doing it all.

Every American, even if they never served, is free to disagree with you, Petty Officer Dumbass.

The violent nature of blacks isn't a stereotype. It's reality. A single black man isn't much of a threat, as he'll turn tail and run before any sort of physical engagement with someone who's able to handle himself. It's when blacks start to roam in packs that they become a concern, and that concern is justified given what the history of blacks in society is...

Hardly a minion of anyone, fuck-stick.

You can die, too, for all I fucking care.

Mind you, I've actually presented something which supports my position that I'm retired military. Uncle Dunce has not.

Here, this is my (redacted) retiree ID card:

I would love to ask Dunce to provide his, but it's pretty fucking clear he doesn't have one, despite his lies to the contrary.

And, if this isn't good enough for you, then you can fuck off and die...