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T. A. Gardner said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
And here's how the rug is pulled out from under the continuing PR wonk attack against Canada's health system:


After Pushing Lies, Former Cigna Executive Praises Canada's Health Care System


NPR'S Michel Martin speaks with former health insurance executive Wendell Potter about the differences between U.S. and Canadian health systems highlighted by the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/27/88430...th-care-system
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Anecdote isn't evidence
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So when he was telling you what you wanted to hear, it was gospel truth.

But now, you disparage what he says. Why? You do understand that there's more than one definition of "anecdote";

a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person:
"told anecdotes about his job"
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synonyms:
story · tale · narrative · sketch · urban myth · urban legend · reminiscence

an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay:
"his wife's death has long been the subject of rumor and anecdote"

the depiction of a minor narrative incident in a painting:

Potter is no empty suit. He knows what he's talking about because he was part of the machine for a long time (white collar, exec, management), until he had his "come to Jesus" moment:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...A51F0F0F1E95153B9E20A51&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
 
Taichiliberal said:
So when he was telling you what you wanted to hear, it was gospel truth.

But now, you disparage what he says. Why? You do understand that there's more than one definition of "anecdote";

a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person:
"told anecdotes about his job"
·
synonyms:
story · tale · narrative · sketch · urban myth · urban legend · reminiscence

an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay:
"his wife's death has long been the subject of rumor and anecdote"

the depiction of a minor narrative incident in a painting:

Potter is no empty suit. He knows what he's talking about because he was part of the machine for a long time (white collar, exec, management), until he had his "come to Jesus" moment:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...A51F0F0F1E95153B9E20A51&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
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So, you didn't even bother to read that guy's interview did you? I did. It was anecdote. He told the interviewer several personal stories, and that's all he did. His argument for Canada having a better system boiled down to this:

Canada has done a better job, I think, because of having the kind of health care system you have in making sure that everyone who needs to be treated is treated.
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He likes that Canada's system, in his opinion, is fair and equal.. That doesn't make their system "better" unless your metric is about fair and equal. By that metric Mexico's and Cuba's health care systems are "better" because they too are socialized making them fair and equal. Sure the care you get sucks. The wait times alone might kill you off, but you are getting the same shitty service everybody else is.

Well, unless you are rich or connected, then you get much better service or use a separate system from the socialized one...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
So when he was telling you what you wanted to hear, it was gospel truth.

But now, you disparage what he says. Why? You do understand that there's more than one definition of "anecdote";

a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person:
"told anecdotes about his job"
·
synonyms:
story · tale · narrative · sketch · urban myth · urban legend · reminiscence

an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay:
"his wife's death has long been the subject of rumor and anecdote"

the depiction of a minor narrative incident in a painting:

Potter is no empty suit. He knows what he's talking about because he was part of the machine for a long time (white collar, exec, management), until he had his "come to Jesus" moment:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...tail&FORM=VIRE
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So, you didn't even bother to read that guy's interview did you? I did. It was anecdote. He told the interviewer several personal stories, and that's all he did. His argument for Canada having a better system boiled down to this:



He likes that Canada's system, in his opinion, is fair and equal.. That doesn't make their system "better" unless your metric is about fair and equal. By that metric Mexico's and Cuba's health care systems are "better" because they too are socialized making them fair and equal. Sure the care you get sucks. The wait times alone might kill you off, but you are getting the same shitty service everybody else is.

Well, unless you are rich or connected, then you get much better service or use a separate system from the socialized one...
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Did you really think you could lie about the interview and what the man said CONCLUSIVELY? See, that's the problem with hack propagandist in the MAGA minions....they think no one will take them to task for what they say. Clearly, you've learned NOTHING during your time on this site.

Potter was relating his history, not giving out cute anecdotes. He was pointing to historical FACTS that can be easily corroborated. Now, if you're going to call the man a liar, you'd had best be able to prove it logically and factually. Here's what you want to ignore:


POTTER: I was becoming concerned, as it was necessary for me to spread this misinformation, and it really began in 2006. And that was sort of when my crisis of conscience began, and it pertained to the premiere of Michael Moore's movie "Sicko." And part of our campaign to push back against that movie was to spread misinformation about Canada or use cherry-picked data and anecdotes. For example, AHIP sent me and my counterparts at other insurance companies a binder just as that movie was premiering with bullet points of things that we should say in our conversations with reporters and others about the Canadian system or the British or French system for that matter but, particularly, the Canadian system. These really were cherry-picked data points and was not in any way painting an accurate portrayal of the Canadian health care system.

MARTIN: So why did you do it?

POTTER: You know, I was believing my own PR for a long time. I rose up through the ranks. I had a good job. I was leading corporate communications at Cigna when I left. I was able to kind of compartmentalize as well, too, but also keep myself removed from the problems that so many people in this country are facing when it comes to getting care that they need and can afford. But on the other hand, if I hadn't done that, I wouldn't know what I know. And I've been one of the very few people who has some insider information to share with the public and with policymakers. I've testified before Congress many times and written lots of columns and done lots of media work to try to help people understand our system better and how it compares and contrasts to other systems around the world.

MARTIN: What was that aha moment for you? Do you remember it?

POTTER: Oh, I sure do remember it. There were two or three. But the real aha moment for me came when I went back home to visit my family in east Tennessee, where I grew up. I just happened to read about something that was called a health care expedition that was being held at a county fairground close to where I grew up. And I'd never heard of it because I lived away from there for many years and just happened to be there that weekend. And it said people would be driving from hundreds of miles away to get care that was being provided at this county fairground over three days, and it was free. And it said people typically would spend two or three nights in their cars waiting to get in to get treated.

I went there out of curiosity. And when I got there, I just was absolutely stunned at what I saw. I just couldn't imagine that I was still in the United States. When I walked through the fairground gates, I saw people who were lined up by the hundreds waiting to get care, and it was truly an epiphany. I also realized that what I was doing for a living - I had to take some responsibility for that because I was perpetuating myths about the Canadian health care system, myths about this health care system in this country, spreading this information to protect profits for my company and for the industry. And I was a journalist in my first career, a newspaper reporter. And I realized, also, that what I was doing for a living was in many ways the exact opposite of what I tried to do as a reporter, which was to be accurate.

And I just for various reasons felt, gosh, I - what happened to me? I looked in the mirror at one point. I said, what happened to you? How did this happen? And I made a decision soon after that that I would have to find some other way to earn a living. And it wasn't too long after that that I did leave. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/27/8843...-executive-praises-canadas-health-care-system

Now, put on your blinders, cover your ears and repeat your myopic BS ad nausea. The objective, rational reader will easily see your folly. Carry on.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Half of Canada has American health insurance and waits until they come here in the winter to get things done. ;)
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That is absolutely not true. I know many Canadians and they would laugh in your right-wing face over that. They do not live in d\fear of bankruptcy from medical costs.
Where do you rightys get crap like that and why do you believe it?
I have watched a few videos of people who have moved out of the US for work marriage or other reasons. They praise the medical system and love living without guns.
 
anonymoose said:
COVID?. Really? Maybe I’ll start another Greta Thunberg thread.
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you do that, sweet pea. Seems you Maga minions really got off on trashing a junior high school kid who was trying to make the world a little healthier for everyone...even folk of your mindset. :palm:
Carry on.
 
Nordberg said:
That is absolutely not true. I know many Canadians and they would laugh in your right-wing face over that. They do not live in d\fear of bankruptcy from medical costs.
Where do you rightys get crap like that and why do you believe it?
I have watched a few videos of people who have moved out of the US for work marriage or other reasons. They praise the medical system and love living without guns.
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Note how I deconstructed the usual piss poor propaganda the Big Pharma bought & sold trolls and politicians/media outlets put out via T.A. Gardner. No response, from them, just silence.
 
Nordberg said:
That is absolutely not true. I know many Canadians and they would laugh in your right-wing face over that. They do not live in d\fear of bankruptcy from medical costs.
Where do you rightys get crap like that and why do you believe it?
I have watched a few videos of people who have moved out of the US for work marriage or other reasons. They praise the medical system and love living without guns.
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:wrongkiddo:
 
Nordberg said:
That is absolutely not true. I know many Canadians and they would laugh in your right-wing face over that. They do not live in d\fear of bankruptcy from medical costs.
Where do you rightys get crap like that and why do you believe it?
I have watched a few videos of people who have moved out of the US for work marriage or other reasons. They praise the medical system and love living without guns.
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I have many friends who live in Europe, and to a man/woman they wouldn't trade their health care system for ours. That being said. we're on Medicare and love it. Between Social Security and Medicare, Americans are living far longer than we did even just 100 years ago, because since the 1960s the aged have had access to health care, plus a few dollars more cash in their retirement.

The nation prospers when its people do. That's why we all have to chip in, so we can all have nice things. If that's socialism, let's have some more.
 
Nordberg said:
here are Americans living abroad.
It is hard to forgive rightys for what they simply close their eyes to.
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Sobering! I'm sure it's not 100% paradise in these countries, but the stories they tell I've heard over the years from a LOT of people. And of course, the occasional newspaper or magazine article.
 
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