Free will and original sin

[jacksonsprat22]

May want to re-read your Bible, youre getting it all wrong.

Jewish Bible names themselves as chosen by God. And, you know, Jesus was a Jew.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Thanks. Like Cypress I am interested in learning more about your beliefs.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I worked past it through my own work in philosophy and art. To paraphrase Chico Marx: Who are you going to believe? Priests, ministers, you parents or your own mind.

Good for you.

 

[jacksonsprat22]

Good for you.

As I said to some fundamentalists: Why would God want me to be stupid?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

May want to re-read your Bible, youre getting it all wrong.

You mean the books written by desert nomads over the course of a few thousand years? Prove I'm wrong. Prove the Bible is 100% accurate....despite what science says.

IMO, God created the Universe and set it up to create intelligent beings. We have brains; the expectation by God is that we should use them.

 

[jacksonsprat22]

You mean the books written by desert nomads over the course of a few thousand years? Prove I'm wrong. Prove the Bible is 100% accurate....despite what science says.

IMO, God created the Universe and set it up to create intelligent beings. We have brains; the expectation by God is that we should use them.

Hard to believe that God wants Catholic Priests, who rape children, to be our moral leaders.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Jewish Bible names themselves as chosen by God. And, you know, Jesus was a Jew.

jesus was a failed messiah christians made him a godman in 325 ce

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hard to believe that God wants Catholic Priests, who rape children, to be our moral leaders.

God doesn't, at least not an all powerful, all knowing, all loving God. I think the premise posted in the OP is most accurate:

...the goal of human life is union with the divine....

How can that happen if God keeps playing favorites or breaking the rules of the Natural Universe?

It's like creating a board game and holding all players to the rules but allowing one person to cheat. It doesn't make sense for an intelligent, loving power to do such a thing.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

jesus was a failed messiah christians made him a godman in 325 ce

Jesus was Jesus. How can he be a failed anything anymore than any other person?

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Agreed. How can God be all knowing, all powerful and all loving yet plays favorites and sends dumbasses to Hell for eternity? It doesn't fit.

that is a christer concept burning for eternity

 

[jacksonsprat22]

jesus was a failed messiah christians made him a godman in 325 ce

The concept of a messiah is the failure. Jesus was just a Jewish religious teacher.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

that is a christer concept burning for eternity

Good thing they ain't in charge, eh? LOL

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The concept of a messiah is the failure. Jesus was just a Jewish religious teacher.

Agreed. It's like saying Lincoln was a failure. Lincoln was Lincoln. He did what he did. What others say about him isn't his fault.

 

[Concart]

God doesn't, at least not an all powerful, all knowing, all loving God. I think the premise posted in the OP is most accurate: How can that happen if God keeps playing favorites or breaking the rules of the Natural Universe?

It's like creating a board game and holding all players to the rules but allowing one person to cheat. It doesn't make sense for an intelligent, loving power to do such a thing.

This is one of my favorite dodges of the fundamentals. If the universe is only 6,000 years old, then how are we seeing light from a star that is millions of light years away. Their answer? God did a one time speed up just for us. LOL. It's just absurd.

 

[jacksonsprat22]

Agreed. It's like saying Lincoln was a failure. Lincoln was Lincoln. He did what he did. What others say about him isn't his fault.

some say Trump is a good president...stuff like that

 

[Dutch Uncle]

This is one of my favorite dodges of the fundamentals. If the universe is only 6,000 years old, then how are we seeing light from a star that is millions of light years away. Their answer? God did a one time speed up just for us. LOL. It's just absurd.

Agreed. It's absurd and completely contradicts the brains people are born with. The same people will claim that Jonah lived inside a whale, that all lifeforms on Earth were aboard Noah's Ark and that dinosaur fossils are the Devil's work.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

some say Trump is a good president...stuff like that

Agreed. Similar people will claim Trump is destroying the United States, will declare martial law and set himself up as dictator, blah, blah, blah. They are partisans who react on emotion, not logic.

 

[Phantasmal]

Agreed. It's absurd and completely contradicts the brains people are born with. The same people will claim that Jonah lived inside a whale, that all lifeforms on Earth were aboard Noah's Ark and that dinosaur fossils are the Devil's work.

We had a poster here who believed animals swam to Noah from Australia, dinosaurs were on the ark and animals were in suspended animation so Noah didn’t have to feed them.

 

[Celticguy]

Jewish Bible names themselves as chosen by God. And, you know, Jesus was a Jew.

And ?

 

[jacksonsprat22]

Agreed. Similar people will claim Trump is destroying the United States, will declare martial law and set himself up as dictator, blah, blah, blah. They are partisans who react on emotion, not logic.

Yes, ignore his impeachment. Only third in US history. Fake news.