Freedom of Religion?????

Desh said:
How is this a rant against people swith christain beliefs?

Are you sujesting all christians would do this?

I know for a fact the Vast majority of Christains would be appauled at this story.
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The following are some of your rants about us evil Christians on FP.com in the thread I highlighted:


Now who is really under attack in this country?

It aint christians!

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Im so sick of the lying religious nutballs


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Do you hate all people who dont have the same religion as you?

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how would you christains feel walking around NOT telling people you believe in christ because of howthey would treat you?

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I cant tell people what I believe and then have to listen to christains who are the VAST majority say their religion is under attack by Democrats.




Yes, we Christians are just so evil. The vast majority of America hates the woman behind the moniker, Deshrubinator aka Desh, because so many of them are those despised Christians and if they only knew how much the Woman behind Deshrubinator hated them, they would treat her with contempt.

Immie
 
are you a lying nutball? No I dont think you are.

This was directed at lying religious nutballs NOT christians.
 
how would you christains feel walking around NOT telling people you believe in christ because of howthey would treat you?
This was a question in attempt to get you to understand WHO is being persicuted in this coutry.
 
cant tell people what I believe and then have to listen to christains who are the VAST majority say their religion is under attack by Democrats.


This is absolute truth,

Jews are sometimes persicuted, Muslims, Wiccans and others are sometimes too but Almost every example I hear about Christains being persicuted is utter crap.
 
Desh said:
how would you christains feel walking around NOT telling people you believe in christ because of howthey would treat you?
This was a question in attempt to get you to understand WHO is being persicuted in this coutry.
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Sorry, you will never convince me that athiests who do not try to force everyone else to be athiests are persecuted. Michael Neudau is one of those who attempted to force his beliefs upon everyone else. It also seems (I was reading a post from this Chuck Smalkowski fellow on democraticunderground.com (granted this may be an impersonator) and the various articles I saw online, but it appears that this man may also have declared war upon Christians maybe even before this incident began.

You all assume that the story began at the removal of his daughter from the basketball team (which I contend is a reprehensible thing to do), but how do you know that the story does not go back further than this. What if Chuckie boy had tried to get the coach removed from her position because she was seen entering a church on Wednesday night? We do not know the whole story here.

Immie
 
Desh said:
cant tell people what I believe and then have to listen to christains who are the VAST majority say their religion is under attack by Democrats.


This is absolute truth,

Jews are sometimes persicuted, Muslims, Wiccans and others are sometimes too but Almost every example I hear about Christains being persicuted is utter crap.
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Regardless, it is just one example after many others of your disdain of Christians.

Immie
 
Immy I dont have on ounce of distain of christians.

I do not believe in their fantasys and that is that.

I perfer science to myth.

This is not an insult to christians its just how I believe,

You believe its fact ,I believe its a myth just like all the other gods people have made up throughout history.
 
Desh said, "Im so sick of the lying religious nutballs"

You know when you accuse all religious people of being lying nutballs that sounds disdainful to me. It also sounds like you are the one that is lying.

Immie
 
I've always been amazed at people who spend time presenting how Christianity isn't persecuted by insulting and trashing the religion. It is very popular right now to trash Christians... They are insulted, presented as rubes who all think that evolution is somehow wrong and therefore they must be "backwards" and "sciencehaters" etc...

It isn't Buddhism anybody spends time trashing here... It isn't popular to make fun of people who think the Dalai Lama is the direct reincarnation of a man who walked with Siddhartha...

Scorn is a form of persecution.
 
Damocles said:
I've always been amazed at people who spend time presenting how Christianity isn't persecuted by insulting and trashing the religion. It is very popular right now to trash Christians... They are insulted, presented as rubes who all think that evolution is somehow wrong and therefore they must be "backwards" and "sciencehaters" etc...

It isn't Buddhism anybody spends time trashing here... It isn't popular to make fun of people who think the Dalai Lama is the direct reincarnation of a man who walked with Siddhartha...

Scorn is a form of persecution.
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Or it can be a form of defense. Or it can be a figment of someone's childish, whiney imagination. "Mom, the nasty atheist is p-p-pickin' on us!"

Lest we forget, Christianity is by far the dominant religion in both the United States and the U.K.. Any claim that Christians in general are "persecuted" is ridiculous on its face and can be dismissed out of hand.

Any claim that Christians are persecuted may be absurd, but that doesn't mean that certain minority sects can't make the claim. I flatly refuse to acknowledge any such claim until such time said minority sect stops trying to arrogate the term "Christian" to mean themselves alone.
 
uscitizen said:
Yes those darn snake handler churches are always whining about being picked on.
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They are, as are various other slightly less extreme -- but still demented -- Evangelical and Charismatic sects.

The annoying thing is that they, alone among Christians, may have some legitimate claim.
 
OrnotBitwise said:
Or it can be a form of defense. Or it can be a figment of someone's childish, whiney imagination. "Mom, the nasty atheist is p-p-pickin' on us!"

Lest we forget, Christianity is by far the dominant religion in both the United States and the U.K.. Any claim that Christians in general are "persecuted" is ridiculous on its face and can be dismissed out of hand.

Any claim that Christians are persecuted may be absurd, but that doesn't mean that certain minority sects can't make the claim. I flatly refuse to acknowledge any such claim until such time said minority sect stops trying to arrogate the term "Christian" to mean themselves alone.
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This is like saying, "The minority can never be prejudiced!" it is rubbish. Just because they are a majority religion doesn't mean that persecution cannot happen. If it becomes the norm to make fun of christians and their beliefs it is persecution regardless of whether they are the majority.

If you don't think that a christian attending school being made fun of because he prays before eating doesn't feel persecuted then I think you are just being uncompassionate. Or the man who comes to preach being spit upon (I've personally seen this one)... Or just the general scorn one has toward people who have Faith in general...

It is simply ignorance to say that nobody can be persecuted if they can find more than one or two of them around...
 
Damocles said:
This is like saying, "The minority can never be prejudiced!" it is rubbish. Just because they are a majority religion doesn't mean that persecution cannot happen. If it becomes the norm to make fun of christians and their beliefs it is persecution regardless of whether they are the majority.

If you don't think that a christian attending school being made fun of because he prays before eating doesn't feel persecuted then I think you are just being uncompassionate. Or the man who comes to preach being spit upon (I've personally seen this one)... Or just the general scorn one has toward people who have Faith in general...

It is simply ignorance to say that nobody can be persecuted if they can find more than one or two of them around...
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Excellent Post!

The key is really treating others as you would want them to treat you if you were in their shoes....
 
Damocles said:
This is like saying, "The minority can never be prejudiced!" it is rubbish. Just because they are a majority religion doesn't mean that persecution cannot happen. If it becomes the norm to make fun of christians and their beliefs it is persecution regardless of whether they are the majority.

If you don't think that a christian attending school being made fun of because he prays before eating doesn't feel persecuted then I think you are just being uncompassionate. Or the man who comes to preach being spit upon (I've personally seen this one)... Or just the general scorn one has toward people who have Faith in general...

It is simply ignorance to say that nobody can be persecuted if they can find more than one or two of them around...
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Damo, how can a minority persecute the majority, unless said minority is in a position of power? Individual incidents, sure, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about patterns and trends.

Christians -- in general -- are not persecuted. The very idea is too absurd to even entertain seriously. Individual Christians may feel persecuted when they momentarily find themselves outnumbered, but that's transient. The fact is that atheists and non-Christians are far more often persecuted and harassed in this society. If you've never experienced that yourself then you are most fortunate. Even in the S.F. Bay Area, however, I experience it almost daily.

As I said, this doesn't mean that certain minority sects within Christianity aren't persecuted. I just refuse to use the label "Christians" in such a context. If you mean Evangelicals then say Evangelicals.
 
OrnotBitwise said:
Damo, how can a minority persecute the majority, unless said minority is in a position of power? Individual incidents, sure, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about patterns and trends.
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Are you saying those that make fun of christianity are never in a position of power? I have personally seen it. I know it does take place. I am not generalizing either. This is more like saying "Do beavers exist?" answer, "Yes, I have seen one."

Some christian persecution does exist. Just as, in some places, christians use their power to get their way.

Christians -- in general -- are not persecuted. The very idea is too absurd to even entertain seriously. Individual Christians may feel persecuted when they momentarily find themselves outnumbered, but that's transient. The fact is that atheists and non-Christians are far more often persecuted and harassed in this society. If you've never experienced that yourself then you are most fortunate. Even in the S.F. Bay Area, however, I experience it almost daily.
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I agree, in general, they are not persecuted. However stating that means they are never persecuted in the US is a logical fallacy...

As I said, this doesn't mean that certain minority sects within Christianity aren't persecuted. I just refuse to use the label "Christians" in such a context. If you mean Evangelicals then say Evangelicals.
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One doesn't have to be a minority sect at all. One just needs to really apply it in life. Christ taught people to give thanks for their food, when one follows the religion and does this at school they are often made fun of... To say that they wouldn't feel persecuted at that time is a bit disingenuous and, as I stated before, uncompassionate....

Or when one, last year it happened this way, goes to the WalMart website and sees a Hannukah section, a Kwanzaa section, but only a "Holiday Section" refers to anything special happening for them... Exclusion can also be persecution. Even if you are the majority. WalMart got smart and changed the website and created a Christmas section as well... That isn't always the case.

All of this, for me, is from the outside looking in. I understand that when I meditate, if I am in public, people will look at me oddly. In a land where the majority are "christians" it should not be the same for somebody praying over food.
 
Damocles said:
In a land where the majority are "christians" it should not be the same for somebody praying over food.
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Whyever not? Aberrent behavior is aberrent behavior. As you yourself point out, when you behave outside of the norm you have to expect a certain amount of disapproval and/or ridicule from those who don't. That really is just human nature and it absolutely never will change. It can and probably should be mitigated but it will be with us forever.

To clarify, "Christian" is an exceedingly broad label. It encompases a wide range of behaviors and beliefs. Praying in public is not a "normal" behavior in this society, despite the fact that it is largely made up of Christians.
 
Sigh... It is, however, a very christian action, and they will feel persecuted if you make fun of them.... Saying it isn't so doesn't change that the christian was persecuted regardless of their "majority" status.
 
Care4all said:
Excellent Post!

The key is really treating others as you would want them to treat you if you were in their shoes....
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Yes but many apsdects of many religions and sects make this impossible, it would be a sin to treat the infidel unbeliever as you would like to be treated. After they are only godless sinners.
 
When I was young I got jumped on by the church for being friends with a catholic. Those sinner catholics allowed drinking and dancing, GASP! I can't imagine what they would have done to me if the boy had been an avowed atheist. Basically no one in the south admits to not believeing in God. But the statistics say there are many.
 
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