GAO To Obama: More Oil Than Rest Of The World

21,700 cubic feet per second..... sounds like a lot of water to me.
Have you researched this topic yet?

You mentioned water treatment. Do you have any idea how much that would add to the cost of the final product? As well, to employ the in situ method, they'd use vast quantities of electricity. So much so, Shell was exploring the issue of having a small nuclear power plant on site just to heat the 'shale', causing the kerogen to liquify.
 
not a hijack.....it was a legitimate response to Anorexia's denial of being a knee jerk liberal.....when an error presents itself correction is demanded....

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Have you researched this topic yet?

What? 27,100 fps? It's common knowledge, go look it up.

You mentioned water treatment. Do you have any idea how much that would add to the cost of the final product? As well, to employ the in situ method, they'd use vast quantities of electricity. So much so, Shell was exploring the issue of having a small nuclear power plant on site just to heat the 'shale', causing the kerogen to liquify.

Again, I never said shale oil production was cost-effective or cheap. Indeed, one of the major drawbacks is the cost. This is largely why we haven't been doing it already. All of that said, it is still an option, and it is still a viable solution to our demand for oil. If the cost of the final product is less than $6 a gallon at the pump, it's worth considering, because that is what gas is going to cost by the time we bring it online.

Do you not find it the least bit odd, you continue to dart back and forth from environmental excuses to practicality and cost excuses, and can't make anything stick? You see, I have a theory on this, it's because the liberal left has literally brainwashed you. Whenever someone mentions anything that might involve an oil company possibly making a profit, you are programmed to respond in a negative and non-supportive way. It doesn't matter how ridiculous your objections are, or how factually inaccurate you become in the process, as long as you defiantly remain opposed. It literally doesn't matter what the facts are, even if it had positive environmental effects and cost us nothing, you would still find some reason to object, because you've been brainwashed. It's almost sad to watch.
 
What? 27,100 fps? It's common knowledge, go look it up.
Keep avoiding the issue. That definitely makes your case.



Again, I never said shale oil production was cost-effective or cheap.
So why don't you tell us exactly what you ARE saying? You title your bullshit OP w/Obama's name. Then, you purposely redact key paragraphs from the actual GAO report, which basically state what we've been trying to tell you.

Once you're exposed, you simply avoid the issue altogether, backpedaling as fast as you can. Bottom line...it takes too much energy, to create the energy from shale...at least for now. It isn't the panacea you claim it is, and if you're going to lay this at Obama's feet, why don't you tell us what he's doing to block the energy companies from furthering this industry?


Indeed, one of the major drawbacks is the cost. This is largely why we haven't been doing it already. All of that said, it is still an option, and it is still a viable solution to our demand for oil. If the cost of the final product is less than $6 a gallon at the pump, it's worth considering, because that is what gas is going to cost by the time we bring it online.
And environmental issues are another real drawback. Of course, you redacted that part from the GAO report.

Do you not find it the least bit odd, you continue to dart back and forth from environmental excuses to practicality and cost excuses, and can't make anything stick? You see, I have a theory on this, it's because the liberal left has literally brainwashed you. Whenever someone mentions anything that might involve an oil company possibly making a profit, you are programmed to respond in a negative and non-supportive way. It doesn't matter how ridiculous your objections are, or how factually inaccurate you become in the process, as long as you defiantly remain opposed. It literally doesn't matter what the facts are, even if it had positive environmental effects and cost us nothing, you would still find some reason to object, because you've been brainwashed. It's almost sad to watch.

Yea...brainwashed. That's exactly what I was thinking. Especially when I read the paragraph above.
 
Keep avoiding the issue. That definitely makes your case.

I haven't avoided any issue. You asked if I had researched the issue, you quoted me saying the Colorado River has a flow-rate of 21,700 cubic feet per second, which is a F-A-C-T. I responded by telling you it was common knowledge, then you say I am "avoiding the issue." Does this make sense in your bizarro world? Because it's SO not making any in mine.

So why don't you tell us exactly what you ARE saying?

Jeesh... I really wish that I could! I have often tried! I use regular English grammar and words as often as possible, and try to say things in the clearest way possible, but for some unknown reason, when you people read it, the translation must come out completely different. I guess I assume you can read the actual things I write, and presume that's what I mean, but it seems you want to always attribute some other meaning, or distort what I say and try to apply it to other things, or confuse it with other things I've said at other times.... anything and everything, except actually reading and comprehending what I post as it's written. So... Nope, I don't think I can tell you exactly what I am saying, we seem to speak different languages. I've never learned liberal two-face-speak. Sorry!

You title your bullshit OP w/Obama's name. Then, you purposely redact key paragraphs from the actual GAO report, which basically state what we've been trying to tell you.

No, I posted a thread with a link to an online source, and the thread title is the title of the article linked. I am but the messenger.

I understand how this is confusing to you, because I don't normally link source materials, ask ZappedintheBrain. It is rare that I will find a source online, who can make a point as well as I can on my own, and I just thought this one fit the bill. I never mentioned Obama, the article mentions Obama. I put the blame solely on Liberals and the Democrats, who continue to block any legislation which might benefit "Big Oil" in any way.

Once you're exposed, you simply avoid the issue altogether, backpedaling as fast as you can.

I've not been exposed, and I have not backpedaled. Do you think someone died and made you the judge of when someone is "exposed" or "backpedals?" I don't think so, Skippy... so why don't you run along to dailykos, and play with your liberal friends, and leave this conversation for the grown ups in the room?

Bottom line...it takes too much energy, to create the energy from shale...at least for now.

No it doesn't, if it did, we wouldn't bother trying to do it. I would say we are on the verge of cost-effectiveness with gas at $5+ a gallon and rising. Presuming gas continues to rise as it has the past 20-30 years, it is safe to say, the benefits far outweigh the cost aspects, and we should develop the process. We can make electricity, in abundance. 21,700 cubic feet per second, that's the energy source we have readily available from mother nature.

It isn't the panacea you claim it is, and if you're going to lay this at Obama's feet, why don't you tell us what he's doing to block the energy companies from furthering this industry?

Again, I didn't lay anything at Obama's feet. I blamed liberals and Democrats, who, for the past 20 years (at least) have done everything but turn cartwheels in the streets to prevent Big Oil from making a profit, or expanding domestic exploration of oil in any meaningful way. If you now want to pretend that has not been the case, you are welcome to fantasize here.

And environmental issues are another real drawback. Of course, you redacted that part from the GAO report.

"Environmental Issues" are always the liberals sweet little trump card! It does not matter... whatever it is... we can ALWAYS find some environmental impact in the ACTIONS of man. Just our mere being here on the planet, has an impact on the environment, therefore.... Environmental Issues becomes the one trump card that can't be beaten! Liberals can forever and always rely on the old Environmental Issues card, when all else fails.

Here, we have an abundance of a natural resource to rival the world supply, we just need to develop the process and technology, to make it cost-effective. There is less risk to the environment than drilling in the ocean, deep or shallow. But because it involves Big Oil possibly making a profit, and since you are brainwashed, it simply can't be discussed with you in a reasonable way, you have to resort to the 'Environmental Issues' trump card.

Yea...brainwashed. That's exactly what I was thinking. Especially when I read the paragraph above.

Well it's good you realize you are brainwashed, that is the first step to recovery!!!
 
I haven't avoided any issue. You asked if I had researched the issue, you quoted me saying the Colorado River has a flow-rate of 21,700 cubic feet per second, which is a F-A-C-T. I responded by telling you it was common knowledge, then you say I am "avoiding the issue." Does this make sense in your bizarro world? Because it's SO not making any in mine.
You know nothing about shale oil extraction.

Now that we know that, there's no reason to discuss it with you.



Jeesh... I really wish that I could! I have often tried! I use regular English grammar and words as often as possible, and try to say things in the clearest way possible, but for some unknown reason, when you people read it, the translation must come out completely different. I guess I assume you can read the actual things I write, and presume that's what I mean, but it seems you want to always attribute some other meaning, or distort what I say and try to apply it to other things, or confuse it with other things I've said at other times.... anything and everything, except actually reading and comprehending what I post as it's written. So... Nope, I don't think I can tell you exactly what I am saying, we seem to speak different languages. I've never learned liberal two-face-speak. Sorry!
Well, it's either a problem with everyone on the board, or with you.

The odds overwhelmingly point to the problem being you.

No, I posted a thread with a link to an online source, and the thread title is the title of the article linked. I am but the messenger.
Given that admission, you must agree with the piece? Or are you here to refute it? Either way, you redacted the pertinent sections of the GAO report. Why is that?
I understand how this is confusing to you, because I don't normally link source materials, ask ZappedintheBrain. It is rare that I will find a source online, who can make a point as well as I can on my own, and I just thought this one fit the bill. I never mentioned Obama, the article mentions Obama.

I'm not confused at all. You don't know anything about the topic of your own thread.

Exhibit A

dixie said:
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As far as I am aware, there is only one method for extraction of shale oil from oil shale deposits. This is what we have been discussing, I thought... the process for extracting shale oil? Are you sure you are following the conversation? If so, do you have some kind of information to expound on your rather confusing statement?


I put the blame solely on Liberals and the Democrats, who continue to block any legislation which might benefit "Big Oil" in any way
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Well there's something you should have no problem defending with data.


I've not been exposed, and I have not backpedaled. Do you think someone died and made you the judge of when someone is "exposed" or "backpedals?" I don't think so, Skippy... so why don't you run along to dailykos, and play with your liberal friends, and leave this conversation for the grown ups in the room?
Well, JIF, it seems as if you aren't qualified to have this discussion. So why don't you just re-read the thread, and educate yourself if you want to be allowed back into the discussion with the big people words.

No it doesn't, if it did, we wouldn't bother trying to do it. I would say we are on the verge of cost-effectiveness with gas at $5+ a gallon and rising. Presuming gas continues to rise as it has the past 20-30 years, it is safe to say, the benefits far outweigh the cost aspects, and we should develop the process. We can make electricity, in abundance. 21,700 cubic feet per second, that's the energy source we have readily available from mother nature.
So are you using the water for electricity now, for in situ, or ex situ shale oil extraction? Please choose.

Again, I didn't lay anything at Obama's feet. I blamed liberals and Democrats, who, for the past 20 years (at least) have done everything but turn cartwheels in the streets to prevent Big Oil from making a profit, or expanding domestic exploration of oil in any meaningful way. If you now want to pretend that has not been the case, you are welcome to fantasize here
.Care to show us a chart of Big Oil profits over the last 30 years?

Care to pair that with a chart showing military expenditures, solely for keeping oil routes open?

And please highlight the years where liberal presidents stopped patrolling the Persian Gulf.



"Environmental Issues" are always the liberals sweet little trump card! It does not matter... whatever it is... we can ALWAYS find some environmental impact in the ACTIONS of man. Just our mere being here on the planet, has an impact on the environment, therefore.... Environmental Issues becomes the one trump card that can't be beaten! Liberals can forever and always rely on the old Environmental Issues card, when all else fails.
That might carry some weight, had the GAO not included environ issues in the report to Obama. You know...the part you redacted.


Here, we have an abundance of a natural resource to rival the world supply, we just need to develop the process and technology, to make it cost-effective. There is less risk to the environment than drilling in the ocean, deep or shallow. But because it involves Big Oil possibly making a profit, and since you are brainwashed, it simply can't be discussed with you in a reasonable way, you have to resort to the 'Environmental Issues' trump card.
I see. So is the govt. supposed to subsidize this, as they do every other form of energy? Why not just subsidize cleaner technologies that would free up oil for gasoline? You do realize that energy is a loss leader, if the govt. doesn't make the initial investment?

Well it's good you realize you are brainwashed, that is the first step to recovery!!!
Did you learn that at the last meeting? Which step is that?
 
You know nothing about shale oil extraction.

Now that we know that, there's no reason to discuss it with you.



Well, it's either a problem with everyone on the board, or with you.

The odds overwhelmingly point to the problem being you.

Given that admission, you must agree with the piece? Or are you here to refute it? Either way, you redacted the pertinent sections of the GAO report. Why is that?


I'm not confused at all. You don't know anything about the topic of your own thread.

Exhibit A




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Well there's something you should have no problem defending with data.


Well, JIF, it seems as if you aren't qualified to have this discussion. So why don't you just re-read the thread, and educate yourself if you want to be allowed back into the discussion with the big people words.


So are you using the water for electricity now, for in situ, or ex situ shale oil extraction? Please choose.

.Care to show us a chart of Big Oil profits over the last 30 years?

Care to pair that with a chart showing military expenditures, solely for keeping oil routes open?

And please highlight the years where liberal presidents stopped patrolling the Persian Gulf.




That might carry some weight, had the GAO not included environ issues in the report to Obama. You know...the part you redacted.



I see. So is the govt. supposed to subsidize this, as they do every other form of energy? Why not just subsidize cleaner technologies that would free up oil for gasoline? You do realize that energy is a loss leader, if the govt. doesn't make the initial investment?

Did you learn that at the last meeting? Which step is that?

Great rebuttal!
 
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