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wiseones2cents

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All these people talking about gas boycotts. Don't buy gas on this day and that day. You will still have to buy the next day.All it will create is line ups at the pump. I say we have to get out into the streets and protest! Protest until the Gov does something about it!The Gov says they cant do anything about it, but that's a big fat lie. They say we have shortages and that's a lie! I have investigated all their excuses and have come to the conclusion that they are price gauging! We need power of the people. All this complaining will not produce results. Action will! Even if it starts with one guy holding up a sign in a high profile area, demanding that the Gov do something about gas prices!

Yes the gov will be shooting itself in the foot because many states are staying afloat via flush tax dollars off of these high gas prices. Well if they weren't mismanaging the money, they wouldn't have this problem. Time to make them accountable!

The raising of taxes are a clear indication of mismanagement!

I'd like top see how the Gov or the oil companies react if there were major protests in the streets. Especially in Canada where we are rich in oil and are paying global cost! They wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

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WOW! One of the most important issues in North America and no one has a comment? Gasoline is at an all time high and climbing. As a result heating bills are climbing. The cost of everything we purchase that is transported is climbing.

Lets just keep working and paying these high prices so the oil tycoons(and share holders) can continue to live lives of luxury off our backs.(note sarcasm)!If you cant make ends meet? You can always do overtime or get a second job!(note sarcasm)!

The tycoons have to keep their mistresses/prostitutes happy!
 
It's a silly gesture that will make zero difference to the reality. You will have to buy the gas regardless, they don't care what day you buy it on.
 
Damocles said:
It's a silly gesture that will make zero difference to the reality. You will have to buy the gas regardless, they don't care what day you buy it on.
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I agree but I am talking about protesting in the streets and applying pressure to the politicians to do something about it. PRONTO!
 
wiseones2cents said:
I agree but I am talking about protesting in the streets and applying pressure to the politicians to do something about it. PRONTO!
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i'm with cawacko on this. all it will result in is a semi violent response from riot police. If the people then step up the pace of the protest or resort to violence as well, oil companies will simply lift up their tent stakes and leave the area, making it worse. oil speculation has got to go, first and foremost. then all the taxes on gasoline have to be reduced. Then regulations limiting production and refining need to be lifted and eased in order to lower prices.
 
wiseones2cents said:
All these people talking about gas boycotts. Don't buy gas on this day and that day. You will still have to buy the next day.All it will create is line ups at the pump. I say we have to get out into the streets and protest! Protest until the Gov does something about it!The Gov says they cant do anything about it, but that's a big fat lie..................
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Here is where you need to be stopped. Government is not always the solution to a problem. In most cases, government is part of the problem. With gas, for instance, the government established all these formulas for seasons and regions, which have to be mixed at the refinery before distribution. Well, something like that is a great idea for fighting pollution or promoting fuel economy, but it cost a fuckload of money! The cost of that isn't going to come out of some fat cat's bonus or CEO salary, it is going to come from the consumer. You have THIS mandate and THAT mandate, environmental regulations out the wazoo, EPA restrictions and criteria which must be met and complied with, or there are fines... ALL of this shit COSTS MONEY! Who pays the cost? THE CONSUMER!

Now this isn't to say that we don't need any regulations or governmental oversight, but it does prove that every time you go whining to the government to "fix" a problem, you are really just saying.... "Here, government, I'm bending over, fuck me in the ass!" You will never get the desired result, because government can't magically make money, and companies can't operate if they don't make profit.

In a simple-minded liberal's head, the solution is simple... just have government TELL the gas people to lower their prices! Well, okay... let's say you are an egg farmer... you produce eggs for consumers who pay you for the product, your eggs. The government comes along at the behest of some liberal, and says... eggs are not safe unless they have been processed a certain way, an in order to sell them, you must meet these mandates for quality... okay, so you the farmer, spend the money to comply. You had to raise the price of your eggs, so now the problem is, eggs cost too much! Here comes the government telling you, Mr. Egg Farmer, you MUST lower your price, you can't sell eggs for more than $X! Okay, you as an egg farmer know, you can't sell egg for that price, maintain the mandates, and still make a profit. What is the 'solution' to your problem? Obviously, it is to stop producing and selling eggs! Now, because of the government (and libs) we have a shortage of eggs! Government didn't "fix" any problem, they exacerbated the situation, and ultimately made things WORSE!

The solution here, is the exact polar opposite of what you propose. We need to protest government, but the protest should be to eliminate over-burdensome governmental regulations and mandates, to open more land for domestic oil drilling, to build more refineries, to get rid of the silly seasonal formulas. In other words, our protest should be for government to get the fuck out of the way, and let free market capitalism work!
 
cawacko said:
Do you think they would do anything different than they have in response to Occupy Wall St if it were for gas?
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I think alot more people are affected by gas prices then Occupy wall street and tea party combined. The protests would be enormous and hard to ignore. There wouldn't be enough riot police to handle that.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
i'm with cawacko on this. all it will result in is a semi violent response from riot police. If the people then step up the pace of the protest or resort to violence as well, oil companies will simply lift up their tent stakes and leave the area, making it worse. oil speculation has got to go, first and foremost. then all the taxes on gasoline have to be reduced. Then regulations limiting production and refining need to be lifted and eased in order to lower prices.
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And we'll take over the area! What do you think happens when leaders are overthrown? Nothing changes but where the profits are redirected! For example. Saddam was over thrown, Libya was over thrown.
 
wiseones2cents said:
I think alot more people are affected by gas prices then Occupy wall street and tea party combined. The protests would be enormous and hard to ignore. There wouldn't be enough riot police to handle that.
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you have to consider the after effects though. for instance, say there are actually enough people out protesting to outnumber the cops. If the cops initiate snatch and arrests like they did during the G20 summit protests, will that persons fellow protestors come to their defense? and lets assume that the protests maybe did something after lots of threats and violence, when the police start serving arrest warrants on people in their homes because they were caught on police surveillance cameras, will the fellow protestors come to his defense?
 
Dixie said:
Here is where you need to be stopped. Government is not always the solution to a problem. In most cases, government is part of the problem. With gas, for instance, the government established all these formulas for seasons and regions, which have to be mixed at the refinery before distribution. Well, something like that is a great idea for fighting pollution or promoting fuel economy, but it cost a fuckload of money! The cost of that isn't going to come out of some fat cat's bonus or CEO salary, it is going to come from the consumer. You have THIS mandate and THAT mandate, environmental regulations out the wazoo, EPA restrictions and criteria which must be met and complied with, or there are fines... ALL of this shit COSTS MONEY! Who pays the cost? THE CONSUMER!

Now this isn't to say that we don't need any regulations or governmental oversight, but it does prove that every time you go whining to the government to "fix" a problem, you are really just saying.... "Here, government, I'm bending over, fuck me in the ass!" You will never get the desired result, because government can't magically make money, and companies can't operate if they don't make profit.

In a simple-minded liberal's head, the solution is simple... just have government TELL the gas people to lower their prices! Well, okay... let's say you are an egg farmer... you produce eggs for consumers who pay you for the product, your eggs. The government comes along at the behest of some liberal, and says... eggs are not safe unless they have been processed a certain way, an in order to sell them, you must meet these mandates for quality... okay, so you the farmer, spend the money to comply. You had to raise the price of your eggs, so now the problem is, eggs cost too much! Here comes the government telling you, Mr. Egg Farmer, you MUST lower your price, you can't sell eggs for more than $X! Okay, you as an egg farmer know, you can't sell egg for that price, maintain the mandates, and still make a profit. What is the 'solution' to your problem? Obviously, it is to stop producing and selling eggs! Now, because of the government (and libs) we have a shortage of eggs! Government didn't "fix" any problem, they exacerbated the situation, and ultimately made things WORSE!

The solution here, is the exact polar opposite of what you propose. We need to protest government, but the protest should be to eliminate over-burdensome governmental regulations and mandates, to open more land for domestic oil drilling, to build more refineries, to get rid of the silly seasonal formulas. In other words, our protest should be for government to get the fuck out of the way, and let free market capitalism work!
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I disagree. Solution to every problem is via the masses. And the Politicians represent the will of the masses(at least they should be). When the politicians fail to do the will of the maasses, they get replaced with someone who can!

In certain countries(I think Japan). A politician is given a short time to do what he promised to do and if he doesn't produce, out he goes!

The government is part of the problem but they figure if the people dont complain, then why should I do something about it. I will just profit and keep my mouth shut.

Also this drill baby drill nonsense? Research has shown that an increase in oil drilling has STILL not resulted in lowering gas prices.
 
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That is also part of the problemn. The government SHOULD be able to magically create money as opposed to being slaves to foreign creditors via the Federal reserve.

True capitalism in America has been compromised a LONG time ago. America is more of a communist nation then anything. Where the 1% oligarchs run the show.And crumbs are given to their cronies(You call them capitalist middle men).
 
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SmarterThanYou said:
you have to consider the after effects though. for instance, say there are actually enough people out protesting to outnumber the cops. If the cops initiate snatch and arrests like they did during the G20 summit protests, will that persons fellow protestors come to their defense? and lets assume that the protests maybe did something after lots of threats and violence, when the police start serving arrest warrants on people in their homes because they were caught on police surveillance cameras, will the fellow protestors come to his defense?
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As crooked as American cops are? Do you think they would have the audacity to turn on their fellow citizens? If the crowds were in the multi millions and cops initiate snatch and arrest? You'd have a full blown civil war. That is why I support Americans owning guns!

G20 summit protests are mickey mouse compared to the crowds that would gather to complain about high gas prices.
 
wiseones2cents said:
As crooked as American cops are? Do you think they would have the audacity to turn on their fellow citizens? If the crowds were in the multi millions and cops initiate snatch and arrest? You'd have a full blown civil war. That is why I support Americans owning guns!
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I watched video of occupy protests in oakland. one of those videos had a cop shooting a teargas grenade at a former marine and hitting him in the head. while that marine lay unconcious, half a dozen people went to his aid, only to be met with a flashbang fired by another cop. nobody charged those cops. no massive mob came to protect that marine. those same 6 people went back, carried that marine to safety, and the cops went on about their business. No, at this point and time, 95% of the american people would not rally and overrun the cops.

on that note, you still need to get a better understanding of the use of force doctrine that cops are trained in. As long as they are following dept policy on the use of force, they are granted immunity from any injuries or deaths that happen when they make an arrest, so if a massive mob of people were to suddenly storm those cops, they would 'legally' (I say this in marks because it would only be legal in the sense that not one prosecutor would file charges nor would any judge let a trial happen) be allowed to defend themselves using lethal force. What do you think is going to happen if 1 person, or even 10 people suddenly whip out a gun and fire?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
I watched video of occupy protests in oakland. one of those videos had a cop shooting a teargas grenade at a former marine and hitting him in the head. while that marine lay unconcious, half a dozen people went to his aid, only to be met with a flashbang fired by another cop. nobody charged those cops. no massive mob came to protect that marine. those same 6 people went back, carried that marine to safety, and the cops went on about their business. No, at this point and time, 95% of the american people would not rally and overrun the cops.

on that note, you still need to get a better understanding of the use of force doctrine that cops are trained in. As long as they are following dept policy on the use of force, they are granted immunity from any injuries or deaths that happen when they make an arrest, so if a massive mob of people were to suddenly storm those cops, they would 'legally' (I say this in marks because it would only be legal in the sense that not one prosecutor would file charges nor would any judge let a trial happen) be allowed to defend themselves using lethal force. What do you think is going to happen if 1 person, or even 10 people suddenly whip out a gun and fire?
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I think the situation would be entirely different if the protesters were armed. I didn't see them trying to arrest a group of armed neo-nazis in Pheonix occupy.

Really? The authority of the courts is given to them by the people, and the paycheck of the police and those courts are also paid for by the people. If the mobs were big enough they would have to call in the military and I doubt soldiers would attack their own citizens. Like I said, if they did it would be a full blown civil war.
 
wiseones2cents said:
I think the situation would be entirely different if the protesters were armed. I didn't see them trying to arrest a group of armed neo-nazis in Pheonix occupy.
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very true. I also didn't see a handful of cops try to arrest the 80 open carriers in new mexico when the mayor decided to ban open carry at council meetings. the issue then is the people and are they willing to arm themselves in these cases? I would love to see it, because law enforcement would back down in the face of that, if there were enough.

wiseones2cents said:
Really? The authority of the courts is given to them by the people, and the paycheck of the police and those courts are also paid for by the people. If the mobs were big enough they would have to call in the military and I doubt soldiers would attack their own citizens. Like I said, if they did it would be a full blown civil war.
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you'll need to tell that to all the liberals that claim we couldn't fight the best trained military in the world because they would nuke us. mind you, I tend to agree with you IF, a big huge IF, enough people had the stones to go armed and be ready to back it up in the case of some fool LEA decided to call a bluff.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
very true. I also didn't see a handful of cops try to arrest the 80 open carriers in new mexico when the mayor decided to ban open carry at council meetings. the issue then is the people and are they willing to arm themselves in these cases? I would love to see it, because law enforcement would back down in the face of that, if there were enough.

you'll need to tell that to all the liberals that claim we couldn't fight the best trained military in the world because they would nuke us. mind you, I tend to agree with you IF, a big huge IF, enough people had the stones to go armed and be ready to back it up in the case of some fool LEA decided to call a bluff.
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Trust me. The gov can pick on small groups but big ones? Even if they decided to clamp down, think of their image world wide and within the USA it self? It would be exposed as a dictatorship.

Nukes?lol Everyone in North America would be affected. America has a civilian military. Most would not turn on their fellow citizens. You have to watch out for these mercenary groups corps are employing. If the price is right, they would turn on the people. They should be disbanded.

If more then a few mil protested? The government would be forced to act faster then you can blink.
 
wiseones2cents said:
I disagree. Solution to every problem is via the masses. And the Politicians represent the will of the masses(at least they should be). When the politicians fail to do the will of the maasses, they get replaced with someone who can!
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Here's the thing, if you were correct in your views, the politicians who have ample time in office, would have solved the problems by now! Gas prices certainly aren't high because that's what "the masses" want, are they? However, "the masses" did elect Congress, who passed legislation requiring gas companies to use various formulas for various seasons, etc. Supposedly because "the masses" wanted cleaner air and more efficient burning of fossil fuels, so that's what the representatives of "the masses" passed into law. We currently have "the masses" all in a tizzy about tax breaks for oil companies and regulations required to build a refinery are impossible to meet. You dumbfucks are lucky gas isn't $20 a gallon!
 
SmarterThanYou said:
I watched video of occupy protests in oakland. one of those videos had a cop shooting a teargas grenade at a former marine and hitting him in the head. while that marine lay unconcious, half a dozen people went to his aid, only to be met with a flashbang fired by another cop. nobody charged those cops. no massive mob came to protect that marine. those same 6 people went back, carried that marine to safety, and the cops went on about their business. No, at this point and time, 95% of the american people would not rally and overrun the cops.

on that note, you still need to get a better understanding of the use of force doctrine that cops are trained in. As long as they are following dept policy on the use of force, they are granted immunity from any injuries or deaths that happen when they make an arrest, so if a massive mob of people were to suddenly storm those cops, they would 'legally' (I say this in marks because it would only be legal in the sense that not one prosecutor would file charges nor would any judge let a trial happen) be allowed to defend themselves using lethal force. What do you think is going to happen if 1 person, or even 10 people suddenly whip out a gun and fire?
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I saw the video and there was nothing to suggest that the teargas gernade was shot "at" the person who was hit.
If one or ten people fire at a Police line, you're going to see a massive response and probably curfews and martial law enacted.
What you're suggesting is going to result in a lot of people dying and nothing being resolved.
 
Dixie said:
Here's the thing, if you were correct in your views, the politicians who have ample time in office, would have solved the problems by now! Gas prices certainly aren't high because that's what "the masses" want, are they? However, "the masses" did elect Congress, who passed legislation requiring gas companies to use various formulas for various seasons, etc. Supposedly because "the masses" wanted cleaner air and more efficient burning of fossil fuels, so that's what the representatives of "the masses" passed into law. We currently have "the masses" all in a tizzy about tax breaks for oil companies and regulations required to build a refinery are impossible to meet. You dumbfucks are lucky gas isn't $20 a gallon!
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Ahhh you naive boy. You dont think they can solve the problem? Why would they? You ndont think theyt can solve the problem of outsourcing or China's manipulation of currency? Of course they can but they would be hurting their own bank accounts!If the people dont get right out nasty, why should they do anything? They try to law low until it blows over and continue to pillage.

Can you explain why in Canada the gas went from 40 cents a GALLON to $1.50 a liter in a few decades? It went from 49 cents a liter to $1.50 in less then 15 years? Man we must have been having these shortages for decades!

OH and your drill baby drill signature? Drill baby drill makes profits for oil companies on tax payer dollars via corporate welfare which has NOT lowered the cost of gas at the pumps one iota.
 
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