blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Then you weren't talking to "lefties" my brother .. as it has been the left, without question, who has led the fight against the war and SCREAMED that this war is about oil.
General Abizaid: "Of course the Iraq War is about Oil"
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Then you weren't talking to "lefties" my brother .. as it has been the left, without question, who has led the fight against the war and SCREAMED that this war is about oil.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Huh ? I have always said it was about oil, and the righties slammed me for it.
Of course it was about muchroom clouds and WMD's and democracy.
This is a disgusting display of disingenuity by the righties.
this just backs up my prediction that by the 2012 election the righties will be saying see if we had not invaded Iraq for oil we would have none.
Absolutely.
Next you'll be hearing them say that it was the left that voted for Bush.
I was talking about the currency shift, not that it was 'about oil'. I have stated long ago that this had a multi-faceted outlook, first to surround Iran in mistaken a belief that they could "easily" give peace to Afghanistan and Iraq and thus surround them with Democracy which would speed the toppling of their government. Second that it would ensure that Iraq, upon re-entering the oil market would use the Greenback instead of Euros as they had threatened to do.
Now, had it really been solely about oil prices we would have left and gotten somebody to pump that oil, it being a fungible commodity it would lower the price regardless of who put it on the market....
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
The free market is all about business and it has no conscience or the slightest sense of patriotism .. nor does it care whose money is being invested.
Ron Paul wants ALL .. as in every .. restrictions, regulations, and limitations removed from corporate power and corporate power is behind the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan.
You have mistaken a position that the government should invest in companies with that of a free market. The two ideas are opposed. You too project what you want to believe rather than listen to and actually attempt to understand the person.
Battleborne
Terminator
Sorry...must be blunt!
I never trusted General Abazabba...he is a practicing Muslim...and used 'Kid Gloves' while prosecuting the ME war! He should never have been put in charge at the outset...I place the long term blame on him!...imho
I never trusted General Abazabba...he is a practicing Muslim...and used 'Kid Gloves' while prosecuting the ME war! He should never have been put in charge at the outset...I place the long term blame on him!...imho
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
You seem to be under the illusion that oil corporations are the slightest bit concerned about lower prices. They didn't invade Iraq to lower prices for Americans. They went to gain profits for themselves .. which they have done most successfully as they've made more money during this horror than any corporations in history.
Then it isn't 'about oil' it is 'about money' and cronyism.
Add a third tier. Regardless. The idea that R. Paul would keep it up because he loves this war and wants to help those companies using government resources is simply false projection, plain and simple.
First, it is not a free market for the government to coddle companies, second, it is his position that it should end, immediately. Not because it would help or harm any corporate body, but because he believes that any war at all should be formally declared and have solid reasoning behind it for the nation, not corporations.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Explain the difference, because I never even mentioned government. That is the straw man that those who worship the "free market" use to avoid the reality.
The free market is those who have the money, thus the power, to manipulate business and the business environment.
Please explain where you see concern for well-being in the "free market" as opposed to concern for business .. and see if you can do that without the dodge of "government."
Keep in mind, there is a history that clearly demonstrates what happens when the free market is without restrictions, regulations, and limits.
In fact, demonstrate where such lassiez-fare policies without restriction exist anywhere in the world at anytime and I can point you to the era of the robber barons.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
There is little question that corporations and the power they exert on government is behind the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq. Ron Paul not only wants to remove all limitations on corporations, he also wants to allow those corporations to buy more politicians as he wants to remove all campaign contribution limitations.
These are the facts and I challenge you to defy them. You may come to the conclusion that this has nothing to do with war and the profits gained from it, but I do not. There is a serious disconnect between his assumed positions.
I make it clear that the position of those who think the government should help corporations is not a 'free market' it is a misnomer. In this thread we were speaking of Ron Paul's position, it is in that conversation you intruded. It is the position of others that he would continue the war, if elected, in order to help those corporations. It is my position that he is one of two that would do quite the opposite.
