George W. Bush's new book "Decision Points"

That is an insane bunch of gibberish and a childish pile of crap. How old ARE you? Bush was not on live TV. There is only one video of him in the classroom and it was a recording not a feed.

You talk like the whole thing was a sitcom...AMERICANS WERE DYING while Bush sat their like a dog turd! That is not 'protocol' for any human being, much less the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States of America.

If Air Force fighters had to be scrambled and a US commercial airliner racing at 600 mph had to shot down WHO would be the one to make that decision...the fucking press?


No, it's the facts as we know them. I never said Bush was on live TV -try reading comprehensively. I said the press were receiveing live news feed about the attack and Bush knew it.

Bush also knew his team would be getting all ready. He stated he was angry, but knew that he needed to remain calm. Andy Card later recalled how he chose to inform the president in such away as to basically get that reaction. And sure enough when he walked out of that class room ALL WAS READY.
 
No, it's the facts as we know them. I never said Bush was on live TV -try reading comprehensively. I said the press were receiveing live news feed about the attack and Bush knew it.

Bush also knew his team would be getting all ready. He stated he was angry, but knew that he needed to remain calm. Andy Card later recalled how he chose to inform the president in such away as to basically get that reaction. And sure enough when he walked out of that class room ALL WAS READY.

When you see people politely excusing themselves and calmly exiting a room, do you think they're in a panic?
 
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When you see people politely excusing themselves and calmly exiting a room, do you think they're in a panic?

That would have raised all kinds of immediate questions. Once he walked out of that class room all attention was on him. He gave his team time to get ready, time for him to make some decisions of his own... to move into action. Moving a president is not a mere walk out of the room and jump on the plane. This was doubley so in this situation. There was gymnasium full of anxious people waiting to see the presdient. His staff used the time (less then 7 minutes) to gather more information in order to fully inform the president- to write a brief statement for the president to make and then he was escorted out to his plane. In a later press interview the press that were there felt he handled the situation right given the circumstances.
 
That would have raised all kinds of immediate questions. Once he walked out of that class room all attention was on him. He gave his team time to get ready, time for him to make some decisions of his own... to move into action. Moving a president is not a mere walk out of the room and jump on the plane. This was doubley so in this situation. There was gymnasium full of anxious people waiting to see the presdient. His staff used the time (less then 7 minutes) to gather more information in order to fully inform the president- to write a brief statement for the president to make and then he was escorted out to his plane. In a later press interview the press that were there felt he handled the situation right given the circumstances.

Wow - are you in heightened spin mode.

The answer is that no, it's not panicking to politely excuse himself and calmly exit the room. Let's set aside that his most important consideration when a nation of 300 million is under attack was to appear cool to a small classroom of kids. If that's his biggest priority, no problem. You can politely excuse yourself & leave a room without making everyone panic.
 
Are you serious? He had plenty of hindsight to come up with this excuse for not knowing what to do.

I suppose the "appropriate moment" to worry about the country being under unprecedented attack coincided with the school children's lesson ending. And just after he asks the kids if they watched more TV than read books. Then it was appropriate. Not when he heard the news, but 7 minutes later.

Not apologizing?

LOL Yurt. Get the fuck real. This was the most pivotal moment in this country in 60 years, and the CIC sat there like an ass while 2 more planes were flying around trying to attack targets. Do you see a great leader doing that? Is that something to excuse?

uh...ok beefy...you keep saying 7 minutes, but your video was only 6 minutes long and he got the news a minute into it...so thats only 5 minutes

you're bitching about 5 minutes....he explained his reasons, you can call it an excuse, but that was his leadership style...and really, to bitch and bitch about 5 minutes is really retarded
 
uh...ok beefy...you keep saying 7 minutes, but your video was only 6 minutes long and he got the news a minute into it...so thats only 5 minutes

you're bitching about 5 minutes....he explained his reasons, you can call it an excuse, but that was his leadership style...and really, to bitch and bitch about 5 minutes is really retarded

LOL

Yeah - "deer in the headlights" is a great leadership style...
 
LOL

Yeah - "deer in the headlights" is a great leadership style...

that is what it appeared like, yet after reading his explanation, i understand he was gathering his thoughts and doing what he felt was best for the nation, that is projecting calm, he knew all eyes were on him, he could tell the reporters were getting the message, his goal for 5 minutes, was to project calm and then when his staff sets up his ability to talk to the nation he does so, 5 minutes and you're whining like a baby
 
And HOW would you have a fucking clue? You can't make conclusions and speak with authority about something you know absolutely nothing about because YOU weren't there. You aren't 'privy to even the tiniest bit of intelligence', you are parroting what Bush's lackeys put out for public consumption.
Thats EXACTLY what I'm saying to you loud mouth...How do you have a fucking clue? You can't make conclusions and speak with authority about something you know absolutely nothing about because YOU weren't there. You aren't 'privy to even the tiniest bit of intelligence', you are parroting what Bush HATERS put out for public consumption. And you keep repeating the bullshit over and over like its the Gospel truth...
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HERE is an article with 'privy intelligence' from Bill Sammon who wrote 'Fighting back : the War on Terrorism from inside the Bush White House'. Sammon has been described as 'joined at the hip' with George W. Bush. His book on the subject could be described as the official Bush administration's explanation of the president's actions on 9/11.

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The only source to describe what happened next is Fighting Back by Bill Sammon. Publishers Weekly described Sammon's book as an "inside account of the Bush administration's reaction to 9-11 [and] a breathless, highly complimentary portrait of the president [showing] the great merit and unwavering moral vision of his inner circle." [Publisher's Weekly, 10/15/02]

Sammon's conservative perspective makes his account of Bush's behavior at the end of the photo-op all the more surprising. Bush is described as smiling and chatting with the children "as if he didn't have a care in the world" and "in the most relaxed manner imaginable." White House aide Gordon Johndroe, then came in as he usually does at the end of press conferences, and said, "Thank you, press. If you could step out the door we came in, please."

A reporter then asked, "Mr. President, are you aware of the reports of the plane crash in New York? Is there anything...", But Bush interrupted, and no doubt recalling his order, "DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET," Bush responded, "I'll talk about it later."

But still the president did not leave. "He stepped forward and shook hands with [classroom teacher] Daniels, slipping his left hand behind her in another photo-op pose. He was taking his good old time. ... Bush lingered until the press was gone." [Fighting Back: The War on Terrorism - From Inside the Bush White House, by Bill Sammon, 10/02, p. 90]

“I remember once the Secret Service thought they had another threat and tried to get the president to leave,” [Karen Hughes, a senior counselor to George W. Bush] said. “And he insisted that he wasn’t leaving. I'll never forget, he said: ‘In fact, I’m hungry. I want a hamburger.’ [MSNBC]

President Bush knew the twin towers had been hit by commercial airliners. An unknown number of people were dead or injured, and some were jumping from the towers, but the main concern of the US forces commander-in-chief was getting a hamburger. How did he know it was safe to stick around and ask for a burger? How did he know he was not making targets of the school staff and students by staying with them?

Their are many books. There are statements from Rice, statement from Rove, statements from Bush, statements from anyone and everyone that had anything to say about it....some conflicting and some just their opinions, opinions that are only as valid as yours and mine in reality....you read 'em and believe the ones that back up your bias, just like everyone does.

Then you ask stupid questions like this..."How did he know it was safe to stick around and ask for a burger? How did he know he was not making targets of the school staff and students by staying with them?"

Whats your point....Would he KNOW he was absolutely putting anyone is danger??...he, the kids, the school, the entire area around the school, is loaded with security for his protection....WTF is you rant about....conjecture? What ifs? Maybes? Could haves?
You're a partisan Bush hater, and that is just the plain truth of the matter. The secret service was there every moment and advising him. Who the hell are you to second guess them or anyone else on the scene.

YOU can come to conclusions and speak with authority about something you know absolutely nothing about except what you've CHOSEN to read and believe but no one else can have exercise the same right....

So fuck off,

In my mind, there was absolutely nothing he could have done in those 7 little minutes that would have made ANY FUCKIN DIFFERENCE about anything....there was no reason to put the Marines on alert, or send out the Nuc. Subs or activate the National Guard....at least until the situation clarified itself and solid intell was available....


He could put on a big act for the cameras, but he chose not to...
He chose to give those children the attention they expected from him. YOU don't know what his thoughts were or what was going on...

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/schoolvideo.html?q=schoolvideo.html
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that is what it appeared like, yet after reading his explanation, i understand he was gathering his thoughts and doing what he felt was best for the nation, that is projecting calm, he knew all eyes were on him, he could tell the reporters were getting the message, his goal for 5 minutes, was to project calm and then when his staff sets up his ability to talk to the nation he does so, 5 minutes and you're whining like a baby

Sure - all Bush has to do is tell you something, and eat it up with a spoon.

I love the distraction attempt that anyone who is rightfully criticizing any action (or inaction) is "whining." It's a good knee-jerker for you...
 
Sure - all Bush has to do is tell you something, and eat it up with a spoon.

I love the distraction attempt that anyone who is rightfully criticizing any action (or inaction) is "whining." It's a good knee-jerker for you...

i see, so your stance is that he is lying...but thats not knee jerk, that is a well thought out response

:rolleyes:
 
i see, so your stance is that he is lying...but thats not knee jerk, that is a well thought out response

:rolleyes:

My stance is that even if he's telling the truth, it's pathetic. Again, with a nation of 300 million under attack, his main priority is appearing cool to a classroom of kids.

And he could have done that equally as well by politely excusing himself.

Ultimately, though, I think he was fudging it after the fact. Looking at the video, he froze.
 
LOL Beefy you get the fuck real. When Card told Bush the second plane had hit the second tower no one knew what the threat was.

I see. So you're defending him by virtue of ignorance. 2 planes hit 2 buildings in lower Manhattan. Nobody could have known what the threat is. Maybe it was just 2 bad pilots. Nobody could have known otherwise. You should be ashamed of yourself. Putting your partisan blinders on over this.

Shameful. Seriously.

The protocol for Bush was just as he explained it and it's entirely plausable and realistic for his actions to be based on the thinking and logic he stated!

Yes, the protocol for the Commander in Chief when the nation comes under unprecedented attack is to sit there and wait for someone to tell you what to do.

Seriously. Putting your personal partisanship over the lives of American citizens is positively deplorable.
 
You should be criticizing neocons over their traitorous policies of globalization stupidity, Not picking nits because he didn't panic.

I will defend bush on this. Remaining cool is a positive attribute. Get a real criticism beefy. Maybe you should criticize the neocon policies of globalist traitorism. Is that too real a subject for your incisive intellect?
 
I see. So you're defending him by virtue of ignorance. 2 planes hit 2 buildings in lower Manhattan. Nobody could have known what the threat is. Maybe it was just 2 bad pilots. Nobody could have known otherwise. You should be ashamed of yourself. Putting your partisan blinders on over this.

Shameful. Seriously.



Yes, the protocol for the Commander in Chief when the nation comes under unprecedented attack is to sit there and wait for someone to tell you what to do.

Seriously. Putting your personal partisanship over the lives of American citizens is positively deplorable.

you need to get real

how is her take on events putting partisanship over the lives of american citizens? thats just a way out there comment that makes no sense.
 
My stance is that even if he's telling the truth, it's pathetic. Again, with a nation of 300 million under attack, his main priority is appearing cool to a classroom of kids.

And he could have done that equally as well by politely excusing himself.

Ultimately, though, I think he was fudging it after the fact. Looking at the video, he froze.
Post 88....It obviously applies to you too....
 
Post 88....It obviously applies to you too....

I just read through that rant. You mean that he "chose to give the children the attention they deserved" instead of responding to an attack on America and leading?

Yep - couldn't agree more...
 
I just read through that rant. You mean that he "chose to give the children the attention they deserved" instead of responding to an attack on America and leading?

Yep - couldn't agree more...

I keep asking "what do think he, personally, could have accomplished in that 7 minutes"? What could he personally have done that wasn't being done?



Simple enough question.....you've have 10 years to think it over....now give.
 
Excellent book.....got it on my Kindle last week....
Yea I'm sure it's right up there with other great pieces of literature like;

"How to win friends and influence people" by Napoleon Bonaparte

"Dating Etiquette" by Theodore Bundy

and;

"Bedtime Stories for Children" by Ayne Rand.
 
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