The locals in kitzingen hated them too. They were considered low life drunkards and trouble makers.
Germany’s defense minister rebuffs Trump’s Strait of Hormuz request: ‘This is not our war’
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Jake Starkey
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How many total NATO troops went to Iraq under Bush and in total to Afghanistan?
Peak: ~130,000 troops from 51 nations (2011). Total NATO involvement across 20 years: well over 1 million troop‑rotations, though peak strength never exceeded ~130k at once.
Peak: ~130,000 troops from 51 nations (2011). Total NATO involvement across 20 years: well over 1 million troop‑rotations, though peak strength never exceeded ~130k at once.
There has been a 99% drop in support for Ukraine. If you include European payments to the USA, it is more than a 100% drop in net support.
In other words, trump was not supporting, but rather pulling assets away from their efforts.
Just about everyone here has experienced living in a NATO country. There is one person from Australia, and a few bots from Russia, but other than that everyone else has experience living in a NATO country.
The Germans, and the rest of the Europeans in general, are getting older on average. They were always highly rules based. This is not a population that enjoys having drunk American servicemen party in their cities. They are prosperous enough that they do not need the tiny amounts of money servicemen spend in Germany. The land the bases take up could be much better used on producing things for the Germany economy. The Germans have a lot of uses for land, but much too little land to use.
The Germans always comforted themselves that by loaning this land to the USA, and putting up with the drunk American servicemen, they were buying protection for their country. No one thinks trump will honor any commitments to protect Germany, so now they are moving on.
trump already has. he has pulled almost all support for the war, and if you include the support that Europe is paying the USA for, he has pulled more than all support for the war.
This is like the threat that if Iran does not open the Strait of Hormuz, trump will bomb them. The problem here is if they open the Strait of Hormuz, trump will still bomb them.
Australia is not a member of NATO.
Nor Russia
Like who. US not included.
Tell me about it .
No need for the Americans. We agree.
No longer needed. The Soviet Union is no threat to Germany.
Good for them . It’s about time.
France kicked us out decades ago.
The US is a NATO nation. Even our resident Thai genocide supporter uses his UK (NATO nation) passport from where he grew up. Just about everyone here has lived in a NATO nation.
I can claim citizenship in three NATO nations, but have only actually claimed citizenship in one. I have lived in two, and frequently visited many more. I have a whole bunch of relatives, and friends who live throughout NATO.
Anon's boast "I once visited a NATO nation", just seems hallow given that just about everyone here has lived in a NATO nation.
Russia is a huge threat to Germany, so there is that. This would be a great time to solidify our alliance with them, but instead trump is breaking things up.
That's why we're not fighting it.
OTOH, as part of the deal for Ukraine to give up their nukes after the USSR collapsed, the US promised to support them. Russia violated their part of the agreement. Only a scumbag drug pusher would want the US to violate our part.
In addition, only a demented, warped, anti-American would compare the material support the US gives Ukraine to the Pearl Harbor-style attack the US made against Iran. How many Americans have to die to satiate the blood-lust of MAGAts seeking to distract from the Trump-Epstein Files?
The Massandra Accords set the stage for the ultimately successful trilateral talks. As the United States mediated between Russia and Ukraine, the three countries signed the Trilateral Statement on January 14, 1994. Ukraine committed to full disarmament, including strategic weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia. Ukraine agreed to transfer its nuclear warheads to Russia and accepted U.S. assistance in dismantling missiles, bombers, and nuclear infrastructure. Ukraine’s warheads would be dismantled in Russia, and Ukraine would receive compensation for the commercial value of the highly enriched uranium. Ukraine ratified START on February 3, 1994, repealing its earlier preconditions, but it would not accede to the NPT without further security assurances.
DonOld poops on our allies, then demands their help. He betrayed the Kurds and is now asking them to invade Iran. He’s been arming them for the last year. I wonder if they will invade for the man who has betrayed them, twice.That's why we're not fighting it.
OTOH, as part of the deal for Ukraine to give up their nukes after the USSR collapsed, the US promised to support them. Russia violated their part of the agreement. Only a scumbag drug pusher would want the US to violate our part.
In addition, only a demented, warped, anti-American would compare the material support the US gives Ukraine to the Pearl Harbor-style attack the US made against Iran. How many Americans have to die to satiate the blood-lust of MAGAts seeking to distract from the Trump-Epstein Files?
1994 Trilateral Statement
The Massandra Accords set the stage for the ultimately successful trilateral talks. As the United States mediated between Russia and Ukraine, the three countries signed the Trilateral Statement on January 14, 1994. Ukraine committed to full disarmament, including strategic weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia. Ukraine agreed to transfer its nuclear warheads to Russia and accepted U.S. assistance in dismantling missiles, bombers, and nuclear infrastructure. Ukraine’s warheads would be dismantled in Russia, and Ukraine would receive compensation for the commercial value of the highly enriched uranium. Ukraine ratified START on February 3, 1994, repealing its earlier preconditions, but it would not accede to the NPT without further security assurances.
They'd be wise to not trust anything Trump tells them but to continue acting in their own best interests.
Jake Starkey
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There has been actually a 20% increase in support for Ukraine.
Pay attention
You’re playing stupid (I hope). I’m talking about u.s. expats living abroad. You knew that.
OK. Your point ?
The U.S. and?
“Visiting” ≠ residing.
Me too. And?
No I lived in two, both in Europe. Germany for three years, Italy for one.
Visited many but that means nothing
Not abroad.
How so? Putin plans on adding them to the Russian Empire? LOL
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Support for the Ukraine has been reduced by 99%, with net spending on Ukraine being reduced by over 100%.
signalmankenneth
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trump reduced American support for Ukraine by 99%, but because the Europeans are now paying him for that 1% left, the payments for the support has dropped by over 100%.Is that US financial support?
BTW, never trust the word of MAGA morons. Jus' sayin'.
We still share targeting intelligence with Ukraine, which is the 1%. American weapons being sent to Ukraine are all bought by Europeans first.
The Ukrainians are figuring out how to target themselves. They are afraid that even with being paid, trump will abandon the last little bit of support.
The Russians can't hold Ukraine. They'd be fighting an insurgency worse than the US fought in Iraq. Native peoples dislike invaders. It's human nature.
The best the Russians, i.e. Putin, can hope for is a stalemate with Russia holding the Donbas region and Crimea. Even so, I expect Russia will be receiving Russian body bags from the area for years to come.
One year, eight world-changing numbers. Quantifying Russia's war in Ukraine.
Experts from across the Atlantic Council have drawn up the figures they believe best illustrate all the ways this war has shaken the world.
www.atlanticcouncil.org
If the Ukrainians can ever figure out how to advance through a modern minefield, they could have a breakout and take back the Russian occupied land. If the Russians can ever get the Ukrainians to collapse, they could have a breakout and take a lot more Ukrainian land to occupy. Russians occupying land would be deadly to them, for the reasons you mention.The Russians can't hold Ukraine. They'd be fighting an insurgency worse than the US fought in Iraq. Native peoples dislike invaders. It's human nature.
The best the Russians, i.e. Putin, can hope for is a stalemate with Russia holding the Donbas region and Crimea. Even so, I expect Russia will be receiving Russian body bags from the area for years to come.
One year, eight world-changing numbers. Quantifying Russia's war in Ukraine.
Experts from across the Atlantic Council have drawn up the figures they believe best illustrate all the ways this war has shaken the world.
About effin' time. They'd best remember wh8ich side their bread is buttered on...so much for the Eurosleaze bullshit bluster.Six American allies say they are ready to help with Strait of Hormuz
(The Center Square) – Foreign allies appear to be backpedaling on their refusal to help the U.S. secure the Strait of Hormuz, as President Donald Trump has expressed his frustration with the international community for not stepping up.
In a joint statement from France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom, the nations condemned Iranian attacks against commercial vessels in and around the Persian Gulf, as well as “civilian infrastructure including oil and gas installations,” leading to the closure of the vital commercial strait.
“We express our deep concern about the escalating conflict. We call on Iran to cease immediately its threats, laying of mines, drone and missile attacks and other attempts to block the Strait to commercial shipping, and to comply with UN Security Council Resolution 2817,” the joint statement read.
Six American allies say they are ready to help with Strait of Hormuz
(The Center Square) – Foreign allies appear to be backpedaling on their refusal to help the U.S. secure the Strait of Hormuz, as President Donald Trump has expressed his frustration