Get Your Damn Islamic Lying Asses Out Of My Country

[christiefan915]

None of them quoting verses supporting their actions of waging war. Christians are people. Christian doctrine is written in the bible. You can cite 1000s of examples of christian people waging war against their enemies. Doesnt change the fact that christian doctrine tells them to love their enemy and turn the other cheek.

Then if "1000's of examples of Christians waging war" is your argument, they are not loving their enemy and turning the other cheek, and they're turning their backs on Christian doctrine.

If you want to argue that the Muslims are taught to slay unbelievers, then you can't fault them for hypocrisy as you can the Christians who are taught otherwise.

 

[icedancer2theend]

Then if "1000's of examples of Christians waging war" is your argument, they are not loving their enemy and turning the other cheek, and they're turning their backs on Christian doctrine.

If you want to argue that the Muslims are taught to slay unbelievers, then you can't fault them for hypocrisy as you can the Christians who are taught otherwise.

You are an idiot. The Just War principle is different then Jihad. The Just War principle is about throwing off a tyranny not converting a people to religious faith by the sword.

 

[dixon76710]

Thousands have died in Iraq and the Middle East at the hands of bush doctrinists who claimed to be spreading freedom and democracy around the world.

Bush doctrine, as opposed to christian doctrine.

Millions have died for "Christian" reasons during the last 2000 years or so.

"Christian reasons"??? I dont know what that means but it wasnt at the hands of those following christian doctrine.

Pick up a history book and educate yourself on the Crusades, the Inquisition, religious wars and anti-semitism. Add to that ""warrior popes, support for capital punishment, corporal punishment under the guise of 'spare the rod and spoil the child,' justifications of slavery, world-wide colonialism in the name of conversion to Christianity, the systemic violence of women subjected to men."

They call it catholic doctrine to distinguish it from christian doctrine. You can look to the first 300 years of christianity's history to see christianity spread according to christian doctrine. Then it became the state religon of the Roman empire then christian doctrine became whatever the annoited catholic clergy said was christian doctrine, having little to nothing to do with the written doctrine. The bible was written in Latin and the people didnt know any better. Took the protestant reformation, the printing press, the spread of literacy, widespread translation and publication of bibles and the text of christian doctrine was used to reform christianity according to the written doctrine. Bible was the number one best seller in colonial America until Thomas Paine published "Common Sense", using biblical christian doctrine to demonstrate the illigitimacy of the divine right of monarchies to rule.

 

[dixon76710]

Then if "1000's of examples of Christians waging war" is your argument, they are not loving their enemy and turning the other cheek, and they're turning their backs on Christian doctrine.

If you want to argue that the Muslims are taught to slay unbelievers, then you can't fault them for hypocrisy as you can the Christians who are taught otherwise.

Thats my point. Christians are a problem when they turn their back on their christian doctrine. Muslims are a problem when they follow a strict, literal interpretation of their doctrine.

 

[dixon76710]

You are an idiot. The Just War principle is different then Jihad.

As well, I would argue the just war doctrine is a rather tortured interpretation of christian doctrine while the doctrine of jihad is a literal interpretation of islamic doctrine.

 

[dixon76710]

you're right, it has been. does that make them right? does that justify islam's 'war' against the world?

In their mind, their war is divinely justified by allah. Im an atheist and think nothing is justified by religious doctrine.

 

[christiefan915]

Bush doctrine, as opposed to christian doctrine.

bush claims he's a born-again Christian yet he waged an immoral war.

"Christian reasons"??? I dont know what that means but it wasnt at the hands of those following christian doctrine.

Oh? Then explain this paragraph about the Crusades.

The Crusades were a series of Holy Wars launched by the Christian states of Europe against the Saracens. The term 'Saracen' was the word used to describe a Moslem during the time of the Crusades. The Crusades started in 1095 when Pope Claremont preached the First Crusade at the Council of Claremont. The Pope's preaching led to thousands immediately affixing the cross to their garments - the name Crusade given to the Holy Wars came from old French word 'crois' meaning 'cross'.

They call it catholic doctrine to distinguish it from christian doctrine. You can look to the first 300 years of christianity's history to see christianity spread according to christian doctrine. Then it became the state religon of the Roman empire then christian doctrine became whatever the annoited catholic clergy said was christian doctrine, having little to nothing to do with the written doctrine. The bible was written in Latin and the people didnt know any better. Took the protestant reformation, the printing press, the spread of literacy, widespread translation and publication of bibles and the text of christian doctrine was used to reform christianity according to the written doctrine. Bible was the number one best seller in colonial America until Thomas Paine published "Common Sense", using biblical christian doctrine to demonstrate the illigitimacy of the divine right of monarchies to rule.

And what point are you trying to make with this? Catholics are Christians. Always have been, always will be.

 

[icedancer2theend]

As well, I would argue the just war doctrine is a rather tortured interpretation of christian doctrine while the doctrine of jihad is a literal interpretation of islamic doctrine.

Just War theory is not necessarily Christian- though Christians would apply Just War Theory when considering a wars merits. I was not speaking to Catholic doctrines on war.

 

[christiefan915]

As well, I would argue the just war doctrine is a rather tortured interpretation of christian doctrine while the doctrine of jihad is a literal interpretation of islamic doctrine.

I don't necessarily buy into Just War theory but then again, I'm mostly anti-war. "Mostly", because I think WWII was justified, knowing that Hitler was trying to eliminate Jews.

• the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
• all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
• there must be serious prospects of success;
• the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power as well as the precision of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Then if "1000's of examples of Christians waging war" is your argument, they are not loving their enemy and turning the other cheek, and they're turning their backs on Christian doctrine.

If you want to argue that the Muslims are taught to slay unbelievers, then you can't fault them for hypocrisy as you can the Christians who are taught otherwise.

You really should educate yourself, before you try to use scriptures in an attempt to support your stupidity.
What you said was never meant to stand alone, if you think that Jesus meant for someone to do nothing to protect themselves.

Get theyself to a nunnery, who asinine fishwife.

 

[Socrtease]

You really should educate yourself, before you try to use scriptures in an attempt to support your stupidity.
What you said was never meant to stand alone, if you think that Jesus meant for someone to do nothing to protect themselves.

Get theyself to a nunnery, who asinine fishwife.

So then, biblical scholar, hit me with Christ's quote(s) that make ut ok to do violence to another. I'll wait.

 

[dixon76710]

bush claims he's a born-again Christian yet he waged an immoral war.



Oh? Then explain this paragraph about the Crusades.

The Crusades were a series of Holy Wars launched by the Christian states of Europe against the Saracens. The term 'Saracen' was the word used to describe a Moslem during the time of the Crusades. The Crusades started in 1095 when Pope Claremont preached the First Crusade at the Council of Claremont. The Pope's preaching led to thousands immediately affixing the cross to their garments - the name Crusade given to the Holy Wars came from old French word 'crois' meaning 'cross'.



And what point are you trying to make with this? Catholics are Christians. Always have been, always will be.

Everything you cite above was according to Bush doctrine or Catholic doctrine of the Roman empire as opposed to christian doctrine of the bible. What are you not understanding?

 

[icedancer2theend]

So then, biblical scholar, hit me with Christ's quote(s) that make ut ok to do violence to another. I'll wait.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

 

[christiefan915]

Everything you cite above was according to Bush doctrine or Catholic doctrine of the Roman empire as opposed to christian doctrine of the bible. What are you not understanding?

I'm understanding that you're having a problem with your definitions of Catholic and Christian. You think there was no bible before the Reformation?

 

[dixon76710]

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

So where is the incitement to violence? Did Jesus ever hold a sword in his hand?

John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.

Matthew 5:38
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

Matthew 26:51
With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

Matthew 26:52
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

 

[dixon76710]

I'm understanding that you're having a problem with your definitions of Catholic and Christian. You think there was no bible before the Reformation?

Yes there was. Your point? Like I said, the reformation used the text of that bible to reform catholicism. Divine rule of monarchs, the crusades, death for heretics, ALL, catholic doctrine that can find no support in the christian doctrine of the bible. What is so difficult for you to understand. The divine rule of monarchs and the crusades to conquer territory were in contradiction of christian doctrine in the bible. The Islamic Caliphate that existed for 1300 years of Islams 1380 years of history and the wars they waged to establish, expand and preserve the Islamic empire, were all done according to the doctrine of the koran and hadiths. Muslims use their doctrine of the Koran and hadiths to reform Islam, to return to the rule of the Islamic caliphate applying Islamic doctrine as the law. And they fight in the ways of allah to bring about its return.

 

[dixon76710]

Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. ...
This religion is really a universal declaration of the freedom of man from servitude to other men and from servitude to his own desires, which is also a form of human servitude; it is a declaration that sovereignty belongs to God alone and that He is the Lord of all the worlds. It means a challenge to all kinds and forms of systems which are based on the concept of the sovereignty of man; in other words, where man has usurped the Divine attribute. Any system in which the final decisions are referred to human beings, and in which the sources of all authority are human, deifies human beings by designating others than God as lords over men.
This declaration means that the usurped authority of God be returned to Him and the usurpers be thrown out-those who by themselves devise laws for others to follow, thus elevating themselves to the status of lords and reducing others to the status of slaves. In short, to proclaim the authority and sovereignty of God means to eliminate all human kingship and to announce the rule of the Sustainer of the universe over the entire earth. ...
After annihilating the tyrannical force, whether it be in a political or a racial form, or in the form of class distinctions within the same race, Islam establishes a new social, economic and political system, in which the concept of the freedom of man is applied in practice.
http://web.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/milestones/hold/chapter_4.htm

 

[dixon76710]

Their fascination was arisen after the defenders of democracy and the
defenders of other such false ideologies (who have no religion) defended democracy simply for the sake of it, and they mixed the falsehood with the Truth.
..... They distort the Truth with Falsehood, and mix the Light with the Darkness, and the Polytheism of democracy with the Monotheism of Islam. But we, with the help of Allah, replied to all of these fallacies, and showed that democracy is a religion. But it is not Allah’s religion. It is not the religion of monotheism, and its parliamentary councils are just places of polytheism, and safe havens for paganistic beliefs. All of these must be avoided to achieve monotheism, which is Allah’s right upon His servants. We must destroy those who follow democracy, and we must take their followers as enemies - hate them and wage a great Jihad against them.
Maqdisi
http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/DemocracyReligion.pdf