GMOs Don't Hurt Anyone, But Opposing Them Does


Is he?

http://www.science20.com/science_20...seriously_jettison_discovery_institute-117371
If National Review Wants Scientists To Take Conservatives Seriously, Jettison The Discovery Institute
....

And if he is why should I care? Is he promoting homeopathy?

I got his link from Dawkins' blog.
http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/8/7/gmos-don-t-hurt-anyone-but-opposing-them-does


 
It seems obvious Campbell thinks the right is wrong on science plenty and calls them on it.

http://www.science20.com/science_20/climate_change_where_republicans_and_democrats_agree-110594

Even conservatives who deny global warming studies conserve energy as much as rabid left-wing believers.
...
http://www.science20.com/science_20/why_dont_you_believe_global_warming_making_greener_minds-77481

The physics truth is that more greenhouse gases means more warming yet still much of the public, both in America and increasingly worldwide, remains unconvinced.
...

He MAY be right wing, but he clearly is not as influenced by motivational thinking and confirmation biases, as you are desh.
 
look at every interview and how they are introduced

they are just more hack right wing science.



You see them as heros if you want to.

Im not going to
 
look at every interview and how they are introduced

they are just more hack right wing science.



You see them as heros if you want to.

Im not going to

Hero? I had no knowledge of who he was until you tried to make it about him. Again, I got the link from Dawkins. Is he too right wing for you?

Campbell seems fairly objective. He is not promoting homeopathy and numerous other nonsense, like Tom's source. I don't see any scientific opinions that he is promoting that are obviously wrong or that seem too heavily influenced by partisan opinions. He even takes aim at right wingers with anti-science agendas.

But, whatever, there is a long list of reputable scientists that are optimistic about GMOs while the opposition parades out discredited quacks.
 
Because the fat in unpolished rice oxidizes rapidly resulting in rancid tasting rice.

Your suspicions are nothing but nonsense based on cynicism.

I know a damn sight more about rice than you do, sir. I have even planted some in Northern Thailand a couple of years ago, the hardest work I have ever done apart from picking grapes in the South of France many moons ago. I am perfectly well aware that unpolished rice doesn't last as long, typically 6 months compared to 12 months for white rice. However that is not the major reason, I know from experience that in Thailand and Vietnam brown rice and black rice are fed to prisoners hence it has an image of being for the poor and criminals only. As to your second point regarding cynicism, well all I can say is that the way the big bio-tech companies have behaved in the past doesn't give me much hope.

Novartis, Astra-Zeneca and Monsanto are claiming exclusive ownership to the basic patents related to rice research. Further, neither Monsanto nor Astra - Zeneca said they will give up their patents on rice - they are merely giving royalty free licenses to public sector scientists for development of "golden rice". In other words they want to use public instutions to do all the heavy lifting whilst they retain the patents and the profits!!


THE "GOLDEN RICE" HOAX -
When Public Relations replaces Science


by Dr. Vandana Shiva



"Golden Rice": A technology for creating Vitamin A deficiency.


Golden rice has been heralded as the miracle cure for malnutrition and hunger of which 800m members of
the human community suffer.

Herbicide resistant and toxin producing genetically engineered plants can be objectionable because of their
ecological and social costs. But who could possibly object to rice engineered to produce vitamin A, a
deficiency found in nearly 3 million children, largely in the Third World?

As remarked by Mary Lou Guerinot, the author of the Commentary on Vitamin A rice in Science, one
can only hope that this application of plant genetic engineering to ameliorate human misery without regard
to short term profit will restore this technology to political acceptability.

Unfortunately, Vitamin A rice is a hoax, and will bring further dispute to plant genetic engineering where
public relations exercises seem to have replaced science in promotion of untested, unproven and
unnecessary technology.

The problem is that vitamin A rice will not remove vitamin A deficiency (VAD). It will seriously
aggravate it. It is a technology that fails in its promise.

Currently, it is not even known how much vitamin JA the genetically engineered rice will produce. The
goal is 33.3% micrograms/100g of rice. Even if this goal is reached after a few years, it will be totally
ineffective in removing VAD.

Since the daily average requirement of vitamin A is 750 micrograms of vitamin A and 1 serving contains
30g of rice according to dry weight basis, vitamin A rice would only provide 9.9 micrograms which is
1.32% of the required allowance. Even taking the 100g figure of daily consumption of rice used in the
technology transfer paper would only provide 4.4% of the RDA.

In order to meet the full needs of 750 micrograms of vitamin A from rice, an adult would have to
consume 2 kg 272g of rice per day. This implies that one family member would consume the entire
family ration of 10 kg. from the PDS in 4 days to meet vitaminA needs through "Golden rice".

This is a recipe for creating hunger and malnutrition, not solving it.

Besides creating vitamin A deficiency, vitamin A rice will also create deficiency in other micronutrients
and nutrients. Raw milled rice has a low content of Fat (0.5g/100g). Since fat is necessary for vitamin A
uptake, this will aggravate vitamin A deficiency. It also has only 6.8g/100g of protein, which means less
carrier molecules. It has only 0.7g/100g of iron, which plays a vital role in the conversion of Betacarotene
(precursor of vitamin A found in plant sources) to vitamin A.
Superior Alternatives exist and are effective.

A far more efficient route to removing vitamin A deficiency is biodiversity conservation and propagation
of naturally vitamin A rich plants in agriculture and diets.


Table 1 gives sources rich in vitamin A used commonly in Indian foods.

Source Hindi name Content (microgram/100g)

(Amaranth leaves) Chauli saag 266-1,166 -
(Coriander leaves) Dhania 1,166-1,333
(Cabbage) Bandh gobi 217
(Curry leaves)- Curry patta 1,333
(Drumstick leaves)- Saijan patta1 283
(Fenugreek leaves)- Methi-ka-saag 450
(Radish leaves)- Mooli-ka-saag 750
(Mint)- Pudhina 300
(Spinach)- Palak saag 600
(Carrot)- Gajar 217-434
(Pumpkin (yellow))- Kaddu 100-120
(Mango (ripe))- Aam 500
(Jackfruit)- Kathal 54
(Orange)- Santra 35
(Tomato (ripe))- Tamatar 32
(Milk (cow, buffalo)) Doodh 50-60
(Butter) Makkhan 720-1,200
(Egg (hen)) Anda 300-400
(Liver (Goat, sheep)) Kalegi 6,600 - 10,000
Cod liver oil= 10,000 - 100,000


In spite of the diversity of plants evolved and bred for their rich vitamin A content, a report of the Major
Science Academies of the World - Royal Society, U.K., National Academy of Sciences of the USA, The
Third World Academy of Science, Indian National Science Academy, Mexican Academy of Sciences,
Chinese Academy of Sciences, Brazilian Academy of Sciences - on Transgenic Plants and World
Agriculture has stated, Vitamin A deficiency causes half a million children to become partially or totally
blind each year.

Traditional breeding methods have been unsuccessful in producing crops containing a high vitamin A
concentration and most national authorities rely on expensive and complicated supplementation programs
to address the problem. Researchers have introduced three new genes into rice, two from daffodils and
one from a microorganism. The transgenic rice exhibits an increased production of betacarotene as a
precursor to vitamin A and the seed in yellow in colour. Such yellow, or golden rice, may be a useful tool
to help treat the problem of vitamin A deficiency in young children living in the tropics.

It appears as if the world’s top scientists suffer a more severe form of blindness than children in poor
countries. The statement that "traditional breeding has been unsuccessful in producing crops high in
vitamin A" is not true given the diversity of plants and crops that Third World farmers, especially women
have bred and used which are rich sources of vitamin A such as coriander, amaranth, carrot, pumpkin,
mango, jackfruit.

It is also untrue that vitamin A rice will lead to increased production of betacarotene. Even if the target
of 33.3 microgram of vitamin A in 100g of rice is achieved, it will be only 2.8% of betacarotene we can
obtain from amaranth leaves 2.4% of betacarotene obtained from coriander leaves, curry leaves and
drumstick leaves.
Even the World Bank has admitted that rediscovering and use of local plants and conservation of vitamin
A rich green leafy vegetables and fruits have dramatically reduced VAD threatened children over the past
20 years in very cheap and efficient ways. Women in Bengal use more than 200 varieties of field greens.
Over a 3 million people have benefited greatly from a food based project for removing VAD by increasing
vitamin A availability through home gardens. The higher the diversity crops the better the uptake of
pro-vitamin A.

The reason there is vitamin A deficiency in India in spite of the rich biodiversity a base and indigenous
knowledge base in India is because the Green Revolution technologies wiped out biodiversity by
converting mixed cropping systems to monocultures of wheat and rice and by spreading the use of
herbicides which destroy field greens.

In spite of effective and proven alternatives, a technology transfer agreement has been signed between the
Swiss Government and the Government of India for the transfer of genetically engineered vitamin A rice
to India.

The ICAR, ICMR, ICDS, USAIUD, UNICEF, WHO have been identified as potential partners. The
breeding and transformation is to be carried out at Tamil Nadu Agricultural University, Coimbatore,
Central Rice Research Institute, Cuttack and Punjab Agricultural University, Ludhiana and University of
Delhi, South Campus.
The Indian varieties in which the vitamin A traits are expected to be engineered have been identified as IR
64, Pusa Basmati, PR 114 and ASD 16.

Dr. M.S. Swaminathan has been identified as "God father" to ensuring public acceptance of genetically
engineered rice. DBT & ICAR are also potential partners for guaranteeing public acceptance and steady
progress of the project.

Genetically engineered vitamin A rice will aggravate this destruction since it is part of an industrial
agriculture, intensive input package. It will also lead to major water scarcity since it is a water intensive
crop and displaces water prudent sources of vitamin A.

Transferring an Illusion to India.

The first step in the technology transfer of vitamin A rice requires a need assessment and an assessment
of technology availability. One assessment shows that vitamin A rice fails to pass the need test.

The technology availability issue is related to whether the various elements and methods used for the
construction of transgenic crop plants are covered by intellectual property rights. Licenses for these rights
need to be obtained before a product can be commercialised. The Cornell based ISAAA (International
Service for the Acquisition of Agri-biotech Application) has been identified as the partner for ensuring
technology availability by ensuring technology availability by having material transfer agreements signed
between the representative authority of the ICAR and the "owners" of the technology, Prof. I. Potrykus
and Prof. P. Beyer.
In addition, Novartis and Kerin Breweries have patents on the genes used as constructs for the vitamin A
rice.

At a public hearing on Biotechnology at U.S. Congress on 29th June 2000, Astra-Zeneca stated they
would be giving away royalty free licenses for the development of "Golden rice".

At a workshop organised by the M. S. Swaminathan Research Foundation, Dr. Barry of Monsanto’s Rice
Genome initiative announced that it will provide royalty-free licenses for all its technologies that can help
the further development of "golden rice".

Hence these gene giants Novartis, Astra-Zeneca and Monsanto are claiming exclusive ownership to the
basic patents related to rice research. Further, neither Monsanto nor Astra - Zeneca said they will give up
their patents on rice - they are merely giving royalty free licenses to public sector scientists for
development of "golden rice". This is an arrangement for a public subsidy to corporate giants for R&D
since they do not have the expertise or experience with rice breeding which public institutions have.

Not giving up the patents, but merely giving royalty free licenses implies that the corporations like
Monsanto would ultimately like to collect royalties from farmers for rice varieties developed by public
sector research systems. Monsanto has stated that it expects long term gains from these IPR
arrangements, which implies markets in rice as "intellectual property" which cannot be saved or
exchanged for seed. The real test for Monsanto would be its declaration of giving up any patent claims to
rice now and in the future and joining the call to remove plants and biodiversity out of TRIPS. Failing
such an undertaking by Monsanto the announcement that Monsanto giving royalty free licenses for
development of vitamin A rice like the rice itself can only be taken as a hoax to establish monopoly over
rice production, and reduce rice farmers of India into bio-serfs.

While the complicated technology transfer package of "Golden Rice" will not solve vitamin A problems in
India, it is a very effective strategy for corporate take over of rice production, using the public sector as a
Trojan horse.


http://online.sfsu.edu/rone/GEessays/goldenricehoax.html
 
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like I said its phoney science.


always check your sources out throughly

You are nothing but an ignorant hack, desh. You got nothing on the source except that he wrote a book that was critical of some people on the left. Obvious confirmation bias.
 
Vandana Shiva is a philosopher, environmentalist and anti-globalist hack.

Under 5 ounces of Golden Rice can provide 60% of the RDA of vitamin A for 6-8 year old. Rice is a major source of food for many of the worlds most impoverished people.

http://goldenrice.org/PDFs/GR_bioavailability_AJCN2012.pdf

Yes, well done going to a totally independent source like goldenrice.org!! Oh and by the way, you didn't look very far when checking out her credentials. Anti-globalist hack, what does that mean anyway?? So she is against Monsanto et al taking over Indian plant varieties and filing patents, well fucking done I say !!

You still haven't addressed why those companies want to retain the patents, if they are so philanthropic, then why do they need to hang on to them??

Dr. Vandana Shiva is trained as a Physicist and did her Ph.D. on the subject, Hidden Variables and Non-locality in Quantum Theory, at the University of Western Ontario in Canada. She later shifted to inter-disciplinary research in science, technology and environmental policy, which she carried out at the Indian Institute of Science and the Indian Institute of Management in Bangalore, India. In 1982, she founded an independent institute, the Research Foundation for Science, Technology and Ecology in Dehra Dun dedicated to high quality and independent research to address the most significant ecological and social issues of our times, in close partnership with local communities and social movements. In 1991, she founded Navdanya, a national movement to protect the diversity and integrity of living resources, especially native seed, the promotion of organic farming and fair trade. For last two decades Navdanya has worked with local communities and organizations serving more than 2,00,000 men and women farmers. Navdanya’s efforts have resulted in conservation of more than 2000 rice varieties from all over the country and have established 34 seed banks in 13 states across the country. More than 70,000 farmers are primary members of Navdanya. In 2004 she started Bija Vidyapeeth, an international college for sustainable living in Doon Valley in collaboration with Schumacher College, U.K.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/vandana_shiva/profile.html
 
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Yes, well done going to a totally independent source like goldenrice.org!! Oh and by the way, you didn't look very far when checking out her credentials. Anti-globalist hack, what does that mean anyway?? So she is against Monsanto et al taking over Indian plant varieties and taking out patents on indigenous crops, well fucking done I say !!

You still haven't addressed why those companies want to retain the patents, if they are so philanthropic, as you say, then why do they need to hang on to them??


http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/vandana_shiva/profile.html

You are a horrible judge of sources.

The authors of the paper I cited work independently of goldenrice.org and the paper was published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition a peer reviewed medical journal. Vandana Shiva is a hack philosopher who said allowing farmers to plant GMO seeds is like allowing rapists to rape.

The seeds are being given away and from what I understand the patents even allow poor farmers to resale the seeds. This point has nothing to do with the science.
 
That were grown organically.

Organic farms fell under suspicion in the investigation because they do not use chemical fertilisers and put crops at greater risk of contamination from bacteria in manure.

Eating sprouts is dangerous period. It doesn't matter how they are grown, they are perfect incubators for bacteria. Your attempt to use this as proof against organics is more than laughable.
 
Asbestos was once the darling of the industrialists


How long until the real problems with GMO products are revealed?
 
I know a damn sight more about rice than you do, sir. I have even planted some in Northern Thailand a couple of years ago, the hardest work I have ever done apart from picking grapes in the South of France many moons ago. I am perfectly well aware that unpolished rice doesn't last as long, typically 6 months compared to 12 months for white rice. However that is not the major reason, I know from experience that in Thailand and Vietnam brown rice and black rice are fed to prisoners hence it has an image of being for the poor and criminals only. As to your second point regarding cynicism, well all I can say is that the way the big bio-tech companies have behaved in the past doesn't give me much hope.

Novartis, Astra-Zeneca and Monsanto are claiming exclusive ownership to the basic patents related to rice research. Further, neither Monsanto nor Astra - Zeneca said they will give up their patents on rice - they are merely giving royalty free licenses to public sector scientists for development of "golden rice". In other words they want to use public instutions to do all the heavy lifting whilst they retain the patents and the profits!!


THE "GOLDEN RICE" HOAX -
When Public Relations replaces Science


by Dr. Vandana Shiva



"Golden Rice": A technology for creating Vitamin A deficiency.


Golden rice has been heralded as the miracle cure for malnutrition and hunger of which 800m members of
the human community suffer.

Herbicide resistant and toxin producing genetically engineered plants can be objectionable because of their
ecological and social costs. But who could possibly object to rice engineered to produce vitamin A, a
deficiency found in nearly 3 million children, largely in the Third World?

As remarked by Mary Lou Guerinot, the author of the Commentary on Vitamin A rice in Science, one
can only hope that this application of plant genetic engineering to ameliorate human misery without regard
to short term profit will restore this technology to political acceptability.

Unfortunately, Vitamin A rice is a hoax, and will bring further dispute to plant genetic engineering where
public relations exercises seem to have replaced science in promotion of untested, unproven and
unnecessary technology.

The problem is that vitamin A rice will not remove vitamin A deficiency (VAD). It will seriously
aggravate it. It is a technology that fails in its promise.

Currently, it is not even known how much vitamin JA the genetically engineered rice will produce. The
goal is 33.3% micrograms/100g of rice. Even if this goal is reached after a few years, it will be totally
ineffective in removing VAD.

Since the daily average requirement of vitamin A is 750 micrograms of vitamin A and 1 serving contains
30g of rice according to dry weight basis, vitamin A rice would only provide 9.9 micrograms which is
1.32% of the required allowance. Even taking the 100g figure of daily consumption of rice used in the
technology transfer paper would only provide 4.4% of the RDA.

In order to meet the full needs of 750 micrograms of vitamin A from rice, an adult would have to
consume 2 kg 272g of rice per day. This implies that one family member would consume the entire
family ration of 10 kg. from the PDS in 4 days to meet vitaminA needs through "Golden rice".

This is a recipe for creating hunger and malnutrition, not solving it.

Besides creating vitamin A deficiency, vitamin A rice will also create deficiency in other micronutrients
and nutrients. Raw milled rice has a low content of Fat (0.5g/100g). Since fat is necessary for vitamin A
uptake, this will aggravate vitamin A deficiency. It also has only 6.8g/100g of protein, which means less
carrier molecules. It has only 0.7g/100g of iron, which plays a vital role in the conversion of Betacarotene
(precursor of vitamin A found in plant sources) to vitamin A.
Superior Alternatives exist and are effective.

A far more efficient route to removing vitamin A deficiency is biodiversity conservation and propagation
of naturally vitamin A rich plants in agriculture and diets.


Table 1 gives sources rich in vitamin A used commonly in Indian foods.

Source Hindi name Content (microgram/100g)

(Amaranth leaves) Chauli saag 266-1,166 -
(Coriander leaves) Dhania 1,166-1,333
(Cabbage) Bandh gobi 217
(Curry leaves)- Curry patta 1,333
(Drumstick leaves)- Saijan patta1 283
(Fenugreek leaves)- Methi-ka-saag 450
(Radish leaves)- Mooli-ka-saag 750
(Mint)- Pudhina 300
(Spinach)- Palak saag 600
(Carrot)- Gajar 217-434
(Pumpkin (yellow))- Kaddu 100-120
(Mango (ripe))- Aam 500
(Jackfruit)- Kathal 54
(Orange)- Santra 35
(Tomato (ripe))- Tamatar 32
(Milk (cow, buffalo)) Doodh 50-60
(Butter) Makkhan 720-1,200
(Egg (hen)) Anda 300-400
(Liver (Goat, sheep)) Kalegi 6,600 - 10,000
Cod liver oil= 10,000 - 100,000


In spite of the diversity of plants evolved and bred for their rich vitamin A content, a report of the Major
Science Academies of the World - Royal Society, U.K., National Academy of Sciences of the USA, The
Third World Academy of Science, Indian National Science Academy, Mexican Academy of Sciences,
Chinese Academy of Sciences, Brazilian Academy of Sciences - on Transgenic Plants and World
Agriculture has stated, Vitamin A deficiency causes half a million children to become partially or totally
blind each year.

Traditional breeding methods have been unsuccessful in producing crops containing a high vitamin A
concentration and most national authorities rely on expensive and complicated supplementation programs
to address the problem. Researchers have introduced three new genes into rice, two from daffodils and
one from a microorganism. The transgenic rice exhibits an increased production of betacarotene as a
precursor to vitamin A and the seed in yellow in colour. Such yellow, or golden rice, may be a useful tool
to help treat the problem of vitamin A deficiency in young children living in the tropics.

It appears as if the world’s top scientists suffer a more severe form of blindness than children in poor
countries. The statement that "traditional breeding has been unsuccessful in producing crops high in
vitamin A" is not true given the diversity of plants and crops that Third World farmers, especially women
have bred and used which are rich sources of vitamin A such as coriander, amaranth, carrot, pumpkin,
mango, jackfruit.

It is also untrue that vitamin A rice will lead to increased production of betacarotene. Even if the target
of 33.3 microgram of vitamin A in 100g of rice is achieved, it will be only 2.8% of betacarotene we can
obtain from amaranth leaves 2.4% of betacarotene obtained from coriander leaves, curry leaves and
drumstick leaves.
Even the World Bank has admitted that rediscovering and use of local plants and conservation of vitamin
A rich green leafy vegetables and fruits have dramatically reduced VAD threatened children over the past
20 years in very cheap and efficient ways. Women in Bengal use more than 200 varieties of field greens.
Over a 3 million people have benefited greatly from a food based project for removing VAD by increasing
vitamin A availability through home gardens. The higher the diversity crops the better the uptake of
pro-vitamin A.

The reason there is vitamin A deficiency in India in spite of the rich biodiversity a base and indigenous
knowledge base in India is because the Green Revolution technologies wiped out biodiversity by
converting mixed cropping systems to monocultures of wheat and rice and by spreading the use of
herbicides which destroy field greens.

In spite of effective and proven alternatives, a technology transfer agreement has been signed between the
Swiss Government and the Government of India for the transfer of genetically engineered vitamin A rice
to India.

The ICAR, ICMR, ICDS, USAIUD, UNICEF, WHO have been identified as potential partners. The
breeding and transformation is to be carried out at Tamil Nadu Agricultural University, Coimbatore,
Central Rice Research Institute, Cuttack and Punjab Agricultural University, Ludhiana and University of
Delhi, South Campus.
The Indian varieties in which the vitamin A traits are expected to be engineered have been identified as IR
64, Pusa Basmati, PR 114 and ASD 16.

Dr. M.S. Swaminathan has been identified as "God father" to ensuring public acceptance of genetically
engineered rice. DBT & ICAR are also potential partners for guaranteeing public acceptance and steady
progress of the project.

Genetically engineered vitamin A rice will aggravate this destruction since it is part of an industrial
agriculture, intensive input package. It will also lead to major water scarcity since it is a water intensive
crop and displaces water prudent sources of vitamin A.

Transferring an Illusion to India.

The first step in the technology transfer of vitamin A rice requires a need assessment and an assessment
of technology availability. One assessment shows that vitamin A rice fails to pass the need test.

The technology availability issue is related to whether the various elements and methods used for the
construction of transgenic crop plants are covered by intellectual property rights. Licenses for these rights
need to be obtained before a product can be commercialised. The Cornell based ISAAA (International
Service for the Acquisition of Agri-biotech Application) has been identified as the partner for ensuring
technology availability by ensuring technology availability by having material transfer agreements signed
between the representative authority of the ICAR and the "owners" of the technology, Prof. I. Potrykus
and Prof. P. Beyer.
In addition, Novartis and Kerin Breweries have patents on the genes used as constructs for the vitamin A
rice.

At a public hearing on Biotechnology at U.S. Congress on 29th June 2000, Astra-Zeneca stated they
would be giving away royalty free licenses for the development of "Golden rice".

At a workshop organised by the M. S. Swaminathan Research Foundation, Dr. Barry of Monsanto’s Rice
Genome initiative announced that it will provide royalty-free licenses for all its technologies that can help
the further development of "golden rice".

Hence these gene giants Novartis, Astra-Zeneca and Monsanto are claiming exclusive ownership to the
basic patents related to rice research. Further, neither Monsanto nor Astra - Zeneca said they will give up
their patents on rice - they are merely giving royalty free licenses to public sector scientists for
development of "golden rice". This is an arrangement for a public subsidy to corporate giants for R&D
since they do not have the expertise or experience with rice breeding which public institutions have.

Not giving up the patents, but merely giving royalty free licenses implies that the corporations like
Monsanto would ultimately like to collect royalties from farmers for rice varieties developed by public
sector research systems. Monsanto has stated that it expects long term gains from these IPR
arrangements, which implies markets in rice as "intellectual property" which cannot be saved or
exchanged for seed. The real test for Monsanto would be its declaration of giving up any patent claims to
rice now and in the future and joining the call to remove plants and biodiversity out of TRIPS. Failing
such an undertaking by Monsanto the announcement that Monsanto giving royalty free licenses for
development of vitamin A rice like the rice itself can only be taken as a hoax to establish monopoly over
rice production, and reduce rice farmers of India into bio-serfs.

While the complicated technology transfer package of "Golden Rice" will not solve vitamin A problems in
India, it is a very effective strategy for corporate take over of rice production, using the public sector as a
Trojan horse.


http://online.sfsu.edu/rone/GEessays/goldenricehoax.html

:hand:
 
You are a horrible judge of sources.

The authors of the paper I cited work independently of goldenrice.org and the paper was published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition a peer reviewed medical journal. Vandana Shiva is a hack philosopher who said allowing farmers to plant GMO seeds is like allowing rapists to rape.

The seeds are being given away and from what I understand the patents even allow poor farmers to resale the seeds. This point has nothing to do with the science.

Allow seeds to be stored, well I wonder how long that will go on for? Is that in perpetuity, I doubt it somehow. More likely until it becomes the major rice variety and they have got them by the balls. I suppose it remains to be seen what happens, I see it as a Trojan Horse whereas you seem to think it will be the gateway into a new Nirvana.
 
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Allow seeds to be stored, well I wonder how long that will go on for? Is that in perpetuity, I doubt it somehow. More likely until it becomes the major rice variety and they have got them by the balls. I suppose it remains to be seen what happens, I see it as a Trojan Horse whereas you seem to think it will be the gateway into a new Nirvana.

I have not argued they are a gateway to a new Nirvana.

Your vague fears about the patents are an artificial fear. We can change of just break the patent laws.
 
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