God's Work

Superfreak said:
no, I mean his followers.

Of course you don't have a problem with it. But if Bush had said it, you would have gone bat shit crazy mocking him.
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It depends on what he was talking about. That moron would use it about something like privatizing SS. If Bush had said it about his efforts regarding the African AIDS crisis, I would not have mocked him at all. He would have been speaking the truth. Here, we have the President referring to attempting to get health care to the underserved. He is correct.
 
Jarod said:
God has no place in politics or the work of government officials. If they think they are dong Gods work that is fine, but to use Gods name to promote or push a political plan or agenda is shameful, in my opinion.

Big G or little g, it does not matter.
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LMAO
 
Jarod said:
I see your joke.

I personally think they should simply avoid invoking the name and spirit of God when speaking as president. The reason is that to many people it appears to spread the legitimacy of Gods will over the agenda. When you invoke the name of God to bless your goals as president, you are invoking a air of legitimacy that is not proper for political purposes, that has been used to bring about great evil.

You might be doing Gods work, but to claim you are puts the policy under the shroud of an illegitimate blanket of authority.
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LMAO
 
Darla said:
You mean the citizens of the United States who voted for him? What a stupid remark "followers".

I don't have any problem with it.
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Wrong again shit-for-brains; "followers" is an apt description of the low information dunces who would vote for such an inept inexperienced dunce on nothing more than "hope and change".

Of course you don't have a problem with it; you're an idiot of epic proportions.
 
Darla said:
It depends on what he was talking about. That moron would use it about something like privatizing SS. If Bush had said it about his efforts regarding the African AIDS crisis, I would not have mocked him at all. He would have been speaking the truth. Here, we have the President referring to attempting to get health care to the underserved. He is correct.
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LMAO; there you have it from the lying narcicistic dnce herself...as long as it is invoked for something she agrees with, it is okay.

You can't make this level of stupidity and irony up.
 
leaningright said:
I think this is the best response so far. I know SF presents this as a conundrum to liberals and I do think it would be to some. JFK was before my time of remembrance but I am a studier of speeches and politics and think he truly would have a hard time carrying many of the more liberal areas of the US nowadays speaking as he spoke then ... and I must add: just like I think Reagan would have a hard time carrying the more conservative areas nowadays.

I respect that Mr. Obama is a Christian as that is what he calls himself. Who am I to judge otherwise. I would expect a man who calls himself a Christian to use such a phrase now and then. No biggee ... at least to me.
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Apparently you missed Jarod's typical Liberal response and the fact that at the DNC convention "God" and "religion" was voice voted off the DNC platform. It only remains thanks to the chicanery of the leadership to pretend the "nays" have it.
 
Thing1 said:
I respect what you're saying, but just disagree. Presidents mention god all of the time - I can't remember a convention speech that didn't end with "and may god bless the United States of America." I don't see any harm in it.

It doesn't cross the threshold established by separation of church & state.
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I agree it does not cross the threshold established by the principal of separation of C & S.

I also agree that saying "may God bless the United States of America" is about the most innocuous use I can imagine, but I still think they should avoid it.
The fact that presidents mention God all the time does not mean that they should.
 
Superfreak said:
Hey douche bag, I had more of a problem with his speech (probably due to lack of teleprompter) being relatively incoherent. I don't care if people invoke God or not in what they do. I just find it funny that a liberal president would do so knowing what a conundrum it would place upon his followers.
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It has placed no conundrum on me. He is wrong and should not have done it.
 
leaningright said:
I think this is the best response so far. I know SF presents this as a conundrum to liberals and I do think it would be to some. JFK was before my time of remembrance but I am a studier of speeches and politics and think he truly would have a hard time carrying many of the more liberal areas of the US nowadays speaking as he spoke then ... and I must add: just like I think Reagan would have a hard time carrying the more conservative areas nowadays.

I respect that Mr. Obama is a Christian as that is what he calls himself. Who am I to judge otherwise. I would expect a man who calls himself a Christian to use such a phrase now and then. No biggee ... at least to me.
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He did not mention Jesus, he mentioned God, so why would being a Christian make it more okay for him to use the phrase than if he were a Jew or a Muslim or a Rastafarian?
 
Thing1 said:
I was making fun of SF w/ the g stuff, but I disagree w/ your viewpoint on this. Not necessarily w/ what you said above, but he's not making it part of the policy, or merging church & state in any way. He's praising workers, and invoking God in a speech - where that reference will be basically confined.

There is absolutely nothing wrong w/ that, on any level.
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Obama apologists at work....
Its a good thing he is a Democrat, otherwise he wouldn't get away with it so easily....
 
Darla said:
It depends on what he was talking about. That moron would use it about something like privatizing SS. If Bush had said it about his efforts regarding the African AIDS crisis, I would not have mocked him at all. He would have been speaking the truth. Here, we have the President referring to attempting to get health care to the underserved. He is correct.
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But here is the point, plenty of believers of God can legitimately disagree with you that this is Gods work. To evoke the idea that it is, is an illegitimate shroud of authority for a politically charged issue. Sure he believes its the will of God, otherwise he would not be promoting it, but that is not a legit. bolstering of a political agenda.
 
Jarod said:
But here is the point, plenty of believers of God can legitimately disagree with you that this is Gods work. To evoke the idea that it is, is an illegit imate shroud of authority for a politically charged issue. Sure he believes its the will of God, otherwise he would not be promoting it, but that is not a legit. bolstering of a political agenda.
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But he didn't say it was God's will. He said it's God's work. I think that most reasonable people feel helping others is just that. I even use the phrase myself, from time to time.

And I am Godless liberal.
 
Darla said:
But he didn't say it was God's will. He said it's God's work. I think that most reasonable people feel helping others is just that. I even use the phrase myself, from time to time.

And I am Godless liberal.
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I agree with your point that the wording makes it innocuous, but because its a fine line, and there are plenty of dopes who cant see the difference, the President should be more careful.

I use the phrase also, but you and I are not President of the United States. I honestly believe I am doing Gods work, but I don't use that as an argument to promote a political action of the Government.

I also am a Godless liberal.... (I'm not really Godless, but I've been accused plenty)

How would you feel if a President was to tell those who were trying to ban Abortions that they were "doing Gods work."
 
Jarod said:
I agree with your point that the wording makes it innocuous, but because its a fine line, and there are plenty of dopes who cant see the difference, the President should be more careful.

I use the phrase also, but you and I are not President of the United States. I honestly believe I am doing Gods work, but I don't use that as an argument to promote a political action of the Government.

I also am a Godless liberal.... (I'm not really Godless, but I've been accused plenty)

How would you feel if a President was to tell those who were trying to ban Abortions that they were "doing Gods work."
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I find it hard to believe that was never said. But anyway, it wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't vote for anyone who was trying to ban abortion. I really don"t see myself getting worked up over their bringing GOD into it, they do all the time.
 
Darla said:
I find it hard to believe that was never said. But anyway, it wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't vote for anyone who was trying to ban abortion. I really don"t see myself getting worked up over their bringing GOD into it, they do all the time.
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I'm sure its said a lot, but it offends me that something I consider sacred and holy is corrupted and cheapened by bring it into politics.
 
Darla said:
I just think that the right gets worked up over any Democrat invoking their belief in God. They think they own God along with patriotism.
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That's absolutely true, they consider God and patriotism the same thing in many ways. They find it shocking when a liberal professes belief in God, because to them God and conservatism are the same thing. That's the thing I find offensive and wish all political figures would simply avoid using the concept of God to further any such agenda. It inevitably will alienate someone and it leads to the idea that their political ideology owns the blessing of God.
 
Many Jews have so much respect for God and the idea of God that they believe to write or say his name on Earth is disrespectful.
 
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