GOP Views Clinton As Virtually Unbeatable

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GOP Views Clinton As Virtually Unbeatable
The Politico: Many Republican Politicians See N.Y. Senator's White House Win As Inevitable

Feb. 6, 2007

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"If the conservative movement and Republicans don't understand how massive the Clinton coalition is, she will be the next president."
Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay


(The Politico) By The Politico's Carrie Sheffield and Jim VandeHei.What many conservatives regard as the nightmare scenario — President Hillary Rodham Clinton — is increasingly seen by veteran Republican politicians and strategists as a virtual inevitability.

In GOP circles, the Democratic front-runner is seen as so strong, and the political climate for Republicans so hostile, that many influential voices — including current and former lawmakers, and veterans of President Bush's campaigns — have grown despairing. These partisans describe a political equivalent of the stages of grief, starting with denial, then resentment and ending with acceptance.

For now, these Republicans say the party needs good luck, including a change of fortune in Iraq, and a revival of organization and leadership in the conservative movement to avert another Clinton presidency.

"If the conservative movement and Republicans don't understand how massive the Clinton coalition is, she will be the next president," former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay said in an interview last week after giving a private talk to GOP lawmakers. Clinton will win, he added, "if we don't use everything available to us and motivate our base, the people that believe in us."

In his closed-door comments to conservative House members, DeLay warned of the wealth and political potency of the Clinton fundraising network.

"We do have to get our act together, and I'd agree with Tom DeLay on that," said Rep. Steve King of Iowa. "At this point, short an inspirational Republican nominee, then I would agree that it's going to be very difficult to beat Hillary if she wins the nomination."

Those comments echoed those by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich last month on Fox News. "I think you have to start with the idea that, if we don't get Baghdad solved, and if we continue to drift, that it will be very hard for a Republican to win next year, no matter what our values and what our beliefs," he said. "And, second, you have to believe that, at the present moment, she is the odds-on favorite to be the Democratic nominee."

Even some well-connected outside advisers to Bush said in interviews they essentially accept this analysis. These strategists are advising Republicans that it will be next to impossible to win the White House if Bush's popularity remains so low and public disgust with the war so high. Beyond the polls, some said there are gaps between the organizational prowess of the Clinton operation and any of the Republicans currently competing for the nomination.

Jack Oliver, former deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee, said Clinton is a prodigious fundraiser who can be beaten only with a specific and optimistic vision. "The challenge for Republicans is to avoid the temptation of just being against her," Oliver said. "It's not enough to keep the White House."

The comments are striking at several levels. The flagging conservative morale about beating Clinton comes at the same time many Democrats regard the New York senator as newly vulnerable because of the competition she faces from Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and skepticism she faces from activists opposed to the Iraq war. On the Republican side, there is a disconnect between grass-roots, red-state Republicans and the mostly Washington-based operatives who surround Bush. While conservative publishers and organizers have made a fortune off the loathing for Clinton among workaday Republicans, people around the president have always expressed a grudging respect for her wiles and willpower and have long warned that she would be a formidable national candidate.

Several top Republicans said the fears that Clinton could be a prohibitive favorite have contributed to overall blahs that activists feel about the GOP field. One presidential adviser said that Clinton dread was actually helping Republican leaders stomach candidates who might otherwise be unacceptable. "People are willing to sacrifice some of their ideological principles to win," the adviser said.

The conservative movement, ascendant for much of the Bush presidency, is now divided and dispirited. GOP leaders report that it is harder than ever to organize Republicans around a common cause and that Democrats have made progress in recent years in rebuilding the infrastructure of their party. In this mood of malaise, the prospect of a Hillary Clinton presidency is one prod leaders use to shock conservative troops into action.

Some Republicans say a Clinton presidency might even be good for Republicans. "If Americans actually have to witness and live through a Hillary Clinton presidency, it will remind us why we are fundamentally traditional conservatives in America. We believe in hard work, strong families," said Rep. Tom Feeney, R-Fla.

Conservatives are slowly starting to organize against Clinton, but the effort lacks the vitality and vitriol of the attacks on the former first lady in the 1990s. Dick Morris, the former top adviser to President Bill Clinton, is raising money to help produce a documentary critical of Clinton. Morris has argued publicly that Clinton is poised to win in 2008.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/06/politics/main2437712.shtml
 
There's a lot of things I don't like about Hillary Clinton, and I will do my part in trying to deny her the nomination. Unfortunately, the people of Iowa, New Hamshire and south carolina pretty much pick our presidential nominees.
 
yeah, pretty much the same here Cypress. but I will vote for any likely winner that is not a republican. We need the republicans to be out of the drivers seat for several years. We are just about running out of busses for them to wreck.
 
Gee... I wonder why the Reps would act scared of Hillary? Play her up to be unbeatable so that the dem base actually nominates her...which is what the Reps want. In order of strength for the dems (my opinion of them based on what they stand for and strength of character)....

1) Clark
2) Lieberman
3) Richardson
4) Obama
5) Clinton
6) Gore
7) Edwards

Of course the Reps want to get their 2008 opponent from as far down that list as they can.
 
I dunno superfreak... I think a draft Gore movement with Obama as his Veep is a pretty powerful force....

I mean, the majority of us already voted for him once before.... and it is pretty easy to look back and see just how fucked up we are today because of those handful of hanging chads....
 
maine.... too much baggage with Gore. Plus, I do not think the nation wants either a far right or a far left President right now and Gore is definitely far left. It would be like the Reps expecting to win with Brownback. Not gunna happen.

Also, we will never know how Gore would have handled things... better or worse. My money says he would have done worse, but that is obviously just my opinion... and you could be wrong. ;)
 
Yes I could be wrong , especially since one cannot turn back time and see.
I feel that perhaps 911 would not have happened if Bush had not been president. And I am pretty certain we would not currently be in the Iraq war without bush on the tiller.
And we would be a few trillion less deep in debt.
 
Voting for Gore might be a way for people to apologize for voting for Bush, and a way to turn back the closk and give them another chance , so to speak.
I feel that gore does have some psyche advantages if he ran again. He can be the "I told you so" president ;)
 
Voting for Gore might be a way for people to apologize for voting for Bush, and a way to turn back the closk and give them another chance , so to speak.
I feel that gore does have some psyche advantages if he ran again. He can be the "I told you so" president ;)


"I told you so".

or

"Imagine what might have been..."
 
yes an even better psyche advantage in that slogan I think.
What about the dems reviving Regans old "were's the beef" slogan on the republicans.


Just run an add, showing what a Gore presidency would have looked like in an alternate reality: No Iraq war, global warming solved, 9/11 attack thwarted, balanced budget, american honor and prestige in the world at all time highs, etc ;)
 
I don't think gore would have ran aroung blowing smoke about the axis of evil and such, so 911 might not have even happened. However solving global warming is not fully possible I think. We can perhaps mitigate the effects somewhat, but not cure.
 
I truly believe that if the democrats run Gore they'll lose again. I think he'd be a worse race horse than Hillary. He didn't get enough of those "fences mended" me thinks.
 
We still have 2 more years of Bush. If things don't change a lot for the better real soon, Peewee Herman could beat a Republican in 2008.
just my opinion though :rolleyes:
 
I've been saying for the past 4 years that Gore should be run. In every case in past history where circumstances made it so the "popular vote" outweighed the electoral college vote the person ran again and won...

And just being green doesn't mean one is far left...
 
"I feel that perhaps 911 would not have happened if Bush had not been president."

9/11 would have happened regardless of who was President. The planning on it had been going on too long for them not to carry it out.

"And I am pretty certain we would not currently be in the Iraq war without bush on the tiller."

That I agree with.

"And we would be a few trillion less deep in debt."

Doubtful on that one. Y2K was going to hit the market regardless of what any politician did or did not do. They are politicians, they would have continued spending regardless of whether the money was going to the military/defense sectors or to other areas. 1960 was the last year politicians in DC actually lowered our year over year debt.
 
I truly believe that if the democrats run Gore they'll lose again. I think he'd be a worse race horse than Hillary. He didn't get enough of those "fences mended" me thinks.


Gore won the popular vote last time. And, arguably, more people in florida voted for him. Plus, Ralph Nader pulled a couple million votes from Gore.

And republicans have lost a lot of credibility since 2000. They're weaker.
 
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